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Old 02-26-2008, 11:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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sick fish not to sure what to do

I have a tank with a hippo tang, yellow tang, and a blue sided fairy wrasse and they are all getting ick and they are in a reef tank and im not sure how to treat them. If some one can give me n/e info on what to do.

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Old 02-27-2008, 12:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Tangs are notoriously susceptible to ick. Are any of the fish new to the system?
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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IMO the only real way to treat them is in QT with hypo and/or a copper based medication. I have yet to see a reef safe ich treatment that actually works.
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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if you do not have a QT tank, you can try a 2 minute dip in DI water. I would still advise getting a QT tank. An once of prevention is better then a pound of cure.
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:23 AM   #5 (permalink)
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A FW dip may help treat the parsites ON the fish, but will not do anything to the cysts in the tank.

If you DO decide to do a FW dip, please be very, very careful., and be sure to match temp and pH to whatever your tank is.
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If its a mild case of ich the fish may be able to overcome it on their own. They will need to be very well fed on a good mixed diet (not just flake food). Give the tangs lots of greens, like seaweed selects.

However, I would agree that the best way to cure it is QT with copper. Just be sure to follow the instructions very carefully. Hypo IMO is a huge pain and is more stressful than its worth.
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Hello Derrick and to TR.

It would also help us to know more about your tank. How big is it, how long has it been set up, and what are the water parameters?
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well my tank has been up now for about 3 months and and the water paremeters as close as i can get it to perfect its a 55 gallon and they are the only 3 fish i have in the tank and the hippo tang is the newest one to the tank i feed them all kinds of greens and real greens from my refugium and flackes a different kinds of brime shrimp and krill and mysis shrimp so i mean i think that there diet is plenty good enough. and another ? if i set up a QT is quick cure a good way to treat it but even if i do treat it in a QT wont there still be free swimming parasited in my DT.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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o and how big of a QT should i have for these fish the 2 tangs are under 3 inches and the wrasse is only a little bigger
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Well, even at 3" tangs require a lot of swimming room, or they will get stressed, which doesn't help with treatment. Honestly, I think your current 55 is too small, and may have contributed to the outbreak, but that's another post...

I'm going to say get the biggest QT you can. You're going to have to keep a very close eye on water parameters here. Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate WILL rise, and you will have to do very regular water changes to keep them in check, like daily. Any copper based medication should be fine for treatment. You'll need o follow the directions exactly, and probably will need a copper test kit as well.

In order for the cysts in your display tank to hatch and die, you're going to need to "fallow" your tank. Meaning, the fish will have to be in QT for at least 6 weeks, 8 is better, with no fish at all in your DT for the ich to host on/in.
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Old 02-27-2008, 11:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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ok thanks for the info im going to get a 29 gallon and use as my QT . i have got another ? i would like to put them in a 75 gallon if i take and put the water from the 55 gallon and put it into the 75 gallon and put the filters from the 55 on the 75 could i put the corals that have into the 75 gallon.
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I don't see a problem with that. The only thing that could be an issue is the sand. I don't know what your substrate is. Bare bottom, shallow sand bed or deep sand bed. If it's anything over, say, 1/2" deep, I'd save a couple of cups full of sand, then either rinse the sand very very well, or preferably IMO start with all new sand. Either way, you can then use the cups of sand you saved to re-seed your sandbed.

Once you do the move, just keep an eye on water quality, and have some water on standby in case you have to do a couple of water changes.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:08 AM   #13 (permalink)
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allright thank you and i know that im becoming a pain in the neck im sure asking all these ? but when i set up my QT can i just use new water or how should i go about that.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:28 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Not a pain at all, that's what TR is here for.

There's no hard and fast rule as to how to set up a QT. This is what I'd do. Set up the 29 using as much water out of your 55 as you're comfortable taking out. If you do a 10 gallon waterchange, then just use the 10 gallons you remove from the 55 and use fresh water for the rest. I'd leave the QT bare bottom. Got to the LFS or Wal-Mart or wherever and get one of those cheap Whisper power filters, or a cheap canister filter. Add one or two decent sized pieces of LR. Check with the LFS or a local reefer and see if you can have or buy a couple of cheap, ugly pieces of LR. This rock will be contaminated with copper when you're through (as will the tank and filter) so they can never be used in a system with inverts. Add the rock, the water, a heater, and set up the filter. After it's been running a little while, check to make sure salinity, temp and pH match your dispaly tank. Then, move the fish in and start treating. Keep a very close eye on the water quality, because the tank will be uncycled, and you will see a rise in ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. I wouldn't worry too much about the nitrates, but watch the other two closely.
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