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Old 04-07-2008, 05:09 PM   #151 (permalink)
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The diatoms seem to be disappearing finally, and the green algae is coming. But there is green algae in the water and clouding it up. Is it normal for it to be this bad?
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:18 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Algae blooms are just a part of the tank cycling. I would go ahead and do a water change and reduce the photoperiod. You could only turn the lights on when you are actually looking at the tank.
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:57 AM   #153 (permalink)
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If I were to get the CPR Aquafuge, would the UCM 8 be enough to grow Chaeto in the fuge? It wouldn't be that exact light, but it has the exact same specs as the one I saw at Lowes. I would put a piece of glass on stands and set that light on top of the glass.
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:42 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Well here my $.02. The Fuge is kinda small. I would just stick with what you have for now. The only thing that would be worth doing is get a sump. Now you could try putting some Chaeto in what you have now. I would just put a piece of screen were the water comes out to keep Chaeto in your home made fuge. Now they have little clip on lights out there you could get and put on it.
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:30 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Well here my $.02. The Fuge is kinda small. I would just stick with what you have for now. The only thing that would be worth doing is get a sump. Now you could try putting some Chaeto in what you have now. I would just put a piece of screen were the water comes out to keep Chaeto in your home made fuge. Now they have little clip on lights out there you could get and put on it.
I thought about that, but part of the problem is the pumping mechanism that brings the water into the Aqueon (Homemade fuge) is gigantic. There is also algae growing on the outside ouf the long intake tube. Go back a couple pages to my pics and you'll see how big the unit is in my tank. If I put in the Aquafuge, not only is the clutter GREATLY reduced, (because I could put my heater in the fuge as well), but the water in my fuge would double. As of right now, that filter holds a little over a gallon. The small fuge holds 2.5 gallons. Also, I kinda realize now I need to get my heater into my fuge. I have one retarded cerith snail that LOVES climbing the heater. Everytime I turn around he's making a b-line for the thing. I have set him in the opposite corner of the tank and he will find his way back. Fortunately, I live in SO cal so the heater isn't on a whole lot, but still.
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I have one retarded cerith snail that LOVES climbing the heater. Everytime I turn around he's making a b-line for the thing. I have set him in the opposite corner of the tank and he will find his way back. Fortunately, I live in SO cal so the heater isn't on a whole lot, but still.
Since you live in SoCal, I must ask you: Where did you get your Cerith snails? My LFS doesn't carry them, so I was thinking of ordering them from F&S unless I can find another source...

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Old 04-10-2008, 03:52 PM   #157 (permalink)
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OK. Here’s my thinking. I found a nifty looking gadget (you’ll have to tell me if it’s a good product/company or not) that skims as it overflows. Here is the LINK for the gadget. Now it says it will not lose suction and let the tanks overflow in the event of a power outage. I’m a conservative person by nature, so I will want a backup plan. Now for my crude, Microsoft Paint diagram and what it is supposed to be saying.



The sump at the bottom is a 10 gallon aquarium. I figure I will fill it up to around the 4/5ths mark. In the event of a power outage where the O/F unit continues to siphon away, there would be 2 extra gallons room in the tank and plastic container below it to catch any overflow. By the time the sump AND the plastic container are full, the main tank should have lost enough water that the O/F unit can’t suck the water up anymore. In the event of siphon malfunction, I will place the return pump near the top of the water line so it can only overflow the main tank by a gallon at most. I can live with 1 gallon of overflow if it came to that. Once again, this unit is supposed to be overflow proof, but one of the reviews from the customers said their unit did cause an overflow. Is this a good backup plan, or are there fundamental problems involved with my thinking?

Also, if this is a worthy plan, what the heck do I put in the sump? Live Rock? What? I feel like putting the lone heater in the sump is a bad idea. If the return pump OR the O/F unit have something go wrong, the water turns cold and everyone dies. I may put a second heater in the sump in order to have two in case one goes. So what do you think of my diabolical scheme?

I haven't read all the way to the bottom yet so some of this might have been said so far.
If you're using an overflow box (which is not a siphon) the only water that will drain in a power out is what is in the tubing and the outflow of the little box to the top of the standpipe. I'd hope thats less than 1/2 gallon really.
You can make a good overflow yourself from pvc pipe. Do a search on some other sites for DIY PVC overflow. The idea here is the overflow stops at the desired water level of the display tank. When water is returned from the sump (raising the water level) the excess is taken out by the overflow box. If the pump stops, the water level won't rise.
Conversely, if you have a hang-on-back (HOB/HOT) powered filter with a drain in it - that creates a siphon that will pull water out to the first air escape hole in the downtube (part that sticks into the tank). Therefore if you go with this method what you want is a 'siphon break' - two small holes drilled in the plastic tube 1/2" below the intended water level. When the tank drains via that tubing, once the water level reaches those holes air enters the tube breaking the siphon.

As far as what you want to put in the sump. I divide the sump into three chambers with partitions that reach about 2/3's up the height of the tank. Have one line coming from the drain/overflow and then Y it off and put gate valves on the two lines after the Y. Have one line draining into chamber one and thats where you'll put your skimmer. Adjust the valve on this line so you get about 80% of the drain's volume flowing into chamber one. Once the skimmer processes this water, the outflow of the skimmer should drain into chamber three (the return.) to be pumped back into the display tank.
Drain line 2 will get the other 20% of the flow and drain into chamber 2 (the refugium!).
Flow in this 'fuge should be gentle but present. Here you will have a thick layer of live sand and chunks of live rock. I would also add a ball of cheatomorphia macroalgae. These components are natural biological fiiters and also provide a place for the tank to grow it's own live food. (A good thing!) Chamber 2 will overflow the partition into chamber 3 (the return).

Chamber 3 (the return) will have your heater and return pump in it. The pump needs to be strong enough to raise the water from the sump up into the display tank and then create some turbulance (water movement).

You would probably want to add a second, stand alone power head in the opposite corner of the display tank from where you have the sump return to create some cross currents.

Lighting is another thing to look at - we can go into that later however it looks like you have some great advise here already.

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Oh, and a second heater is never a bad idea.
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Old 04-10-2008, 06:05 PM   #159 (permalink)
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Since you live in SoCal, I must ask you: Where did you get your Cerith snails? My LFS doesn't carry them, so I was thinking of ordering them from F&S unless I can find another source...

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They have them at Sand Bar Pet Shop in Mission Viejo. That's the only place I've seen them. They have small and large ones. They have a wide selection of snails. They also (everytime I've been in there) don't overcrowd the snail tanks. I've been into some LFS that have 70 snails in a 8"x8" cube. They keep it at a minimum. Their astrea snails are kept in their reef tank and if you want one they just grab them out of there.
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Well Noobeef if you are that scared of a sump then go with the HOB fuge. But for just about as much as you going to spend on the fuge you could do your own sump. Now I haven't had any problems with my setup yet but just wished I got a bigger pump for it. Cause I have very little flow that goes though my overflow and I get bubbles in it like crazy. But never had to mess with it yet. I check it once a week now. The only time I ever heard of any one having problems with and overflow box is the CPR and homemade ones.
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Well Noobeef if you are that scared of a sump then go with the HOB fuge. But for just about as much as you going to spend on the fuge you could do your own sump. Now I haven't had any problems with my setup yet but just wished I got a bigger pump for it. Cause I have very little flow that goes though my overflow and I get bubbles in it like crazy. But never had to mess with it yet. I check it once a week now. The only time I ever heard of any one having problems with and overflow box is the CPR and homemade ones.
I've actually decided to go with this. I am going to build a 38 inch stand (15 bucks or so) to support the weight of the fuge/skimmer which will both sit flush on it and hook onto the back of the tank. The picture below is a crude Microsoft Paint rendering of what the fuge would look like from behind except the skimmer would drop all the way to the bottom even with the bottom of the fuge. It's 12 inches from the bottom of the skimmer "hooks" to the bottom of the unit, same height as the entire fuge.



Now here are my questions. I have enough sand in my current mini-fuge to fill in about ¼ of what is shown there. If I add a bunch of live sand, will that cause a huge ammonia spike in my tank? Would I be better off adding nothing but regular sand or maybe even some form of mineral mud to finish out the substrate? Question #2: I only have about ¼ of the