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Old 03-17-2008, 12:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Recommended Filtration

So Im New to The Hobby and To The Forums...

i Have A Question About Filters.
Im Starting A 36g FOWLR Bowfront Tank and I Cant Figure Out What Type of Filter to Use??
I Do Have Space For A Little Sump But I Like The Canister Filters
Refugiums Are Good, Wet/Dry Might Work For The Size?
An Advice??????? Please Help!!!!!!
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Any of those would be fine for a FOWLR system. Generaly canisters and wet/dry are not used for reef systems because they can generate excess nitrates. Are you planning on staying FOWLR, or might you go full reef one day?
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Phurst is right. You'll have no problems using a canister filter with a FO/LR. I still like using sumps on any tank. I've even used them with fresh water systems. It allows you to hide equipment that may distract from the tank.

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Old 03-17-2008, 07:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hello Privitor to TR! I agrre with the others. I have a 20G nano, but do not have a sump for it, so I use a HOT skimmer and once in a while put on a Magnum HOT filter to polish the water.
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Any of those would be fine for a FOWLR system. Generaly canisters and wet/dry are not used for reef systems because they can generate excess nitrates. Are you planning on staying FOWLR, or might you go full reef one day?
i do plan on going full reef soon but since this is my first salty i wanted to start with the rocks first before building the reef. I DO WAN TO GO FULL REEF (with some fish!!!)
so whats the best filter to start with?
like said i like the canisters because its compact and i dont have alot of space in the cabinet.
and just like JustDavidP said i do want to hide most of it.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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If you want to reef going with a sump/fuge is the only way to go. A deep sand bed will also make life much easier for you down the road.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Well, if you want to go reef, IMO, it's best to set up the system as though it were a reef now, and then you can gradualy make it so. As PhotoJohn mentioned, a sump really is the way to go. Depending on how big it is, you can have a combination sump/refugium. I'd skip the canisters and wet/dry in favor of 1 to 2 pounds of live rock per gallon and a deep sandbed. That, plus a protein skimmer and some good water circulation are all the filtration you'll need.
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Old 03-18-2008, 09:35 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Agreed... the type of natural filtrations that we use on a reef set up will work just as well with a FO tank. Then, it doesn't take much to switch over, once we convert you

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Old 03-18-2008, 05:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Then, it doesn't take much to switch over, once we convert you
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Funny how that happens a whole lot! I can't wait till you get your new tank order in either.
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Old 03-19-2008, 09:13 AM   #10 (permalink)
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My new 56 has been delivered to the store It's only a few days from being in my home!!

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so whats the difference between a sump and i refugium?? they look like the same thing to me except one goes under the tank and one goes on the back. is this correct.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:28 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Sumps are primarily used to house filtration, heating, dosing systems etc. Refugiums are just that, a "refuge" for "something". In our case, it's macro algae, pods, mysid etc. that would be quickly consumed (preyed upon) in the display tank.

With that said, some folks, like myself, design and use sumps with a refugium section built in. In my picture below, the entire left section of the box is what a traditional sump would be. I've added the right side, with refugium as a part of the design.



Refugiums need not be above the tank. Some folks feel that they must, so you can "gravity" feed the water and such from the refugium to the tank. They feel that a pump would chop the mysid, copepods, amphipods, isopods and other critters to shreds. I've done my own (sick) testing, by pumping the micro crustaceans caught in a filter sock, from a bucket, into another bucket. I found losses only in the huge gammarus amphipods. Like the one below (actually just a molt). Otherwise, the smaller critters made it through unharmed.



In actuality, you want these larger monsters to stay behind in the fuge, as breeders, and let the smaller versions thereof into the display as seed. I've NEVER had a problem with a refugium pumped up, from below the tank.

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On my little bowfront, I have a sump, without refugium.

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