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Old 01-08-2008, 09:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New To Saltwater... Very Excited! Lots of questions..

Hello All,
my first post here i found this site through a google search.
i have been looking for a fish tank lately and was looking to do mostly freshwater as it is easy. Ive always been around fishtanks but never really had one of my own. a pet store that i frequent has the 29G oceanic Bio Cube for 220$. i think its a great deal. now i know the tank says it can be a freshwater tank, the tank is really made for saltwater as it has moonlights and such.
i do not want to go any smaller then a 29, if they had a bigger bio cube at the store i would maybe get it.

now since that is all said and done... to my questions.
Anyone have the G oceanic bio cube? the guy at the store had a older smaller one set up with a couple clowns in there and said he loved it and never had a problem. whats your thoughts about them?
how easy is it to set up a saltwater tank? i see now they sell pre mixed saltwater all ready to go to make it easier. is this a good thing?
i was thinking of maybe getting some live rock and some clowns and maybe some crabs/lobsters. i don't want mean or aggressive fish that will harm each other. i want a bright vibrant tank thats very appreciating to look at.
any ideas/opinions/thoughts would be much appreciated as i get introduced into this great hobby.

thanks again everyone for the warm welcome.
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome and thanks for not being afraid to ask your questions. The biocubes are decent setups for fresh or salt water.

Setting up a SW tank is not the easiest thing, but it is very rewarding. IMO the premixed salt in a jug is a joke, you can make your own for a lot less money...and trust me, it will add up eventually.The largest problem you will have will be that you might want to keep more than that 29 can support, but we've all been there.

I would highly recommend you download the Talkingreef podcasts that go with this this site. If you start from the beginning you will get a lot of your q's answered, plus some you haven't thought of yet..
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Hello, and welcome

I have an Oceanic BioCube 14 that's about eight months old. I think it's a very good product and would recommend it.

However, the most important thing that you need right now is knowledge. You should spend some time obtaining this before you set up a tank. The talkingreef podcasts are a great place to start. You might consider starting at podcast #1 and working your way through. The first few are geared towards beginners setting up their first tanks.

Have fun exploring this great hobby. If you do decide to set up a tank, there are lots of folks on this site that would love to help you!
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Hello thanks for the prompt replys.
now do you think the biocube 29g is worth the 220$?
for fresh water i was looking at getting like a 40-49 bow or something but i think the biocube is a good deal since its all inclosed in its own little set up.

im going to listen to the podcasts during the next week or so. i can buy the set up and set it up but im going to wait for livestock.

now im going to be mixing my own salt water as you guys say the premixed is crap. most premixed stuff is anyways.
does it take alot of time to care and tender a salt water tank? i work 40-45 hours a week and i hate to come home and have to take care of the tank every night you know. i know theres time needed to take care of it id just hate to have something thats so demanding.

i read about skimmers and stuff like that, do i really need one?
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intheb0x, welcome to TR!!! I grew up in the great state of WI. Well, actually I never grew up just got old. I lived in Madison from birth to age 67, now live in FL for the last 3 years. Go Brett Favre and the Packers!!!

I've been in the hobby a looooong time (61 years), have been exclusively saltwater for the last 40 years. I find doing SW as easy as freshwater, just a little different. Like anything else in life you take on new, there is a learning curve. You determine the length of the learning curve by the amount of research you are willing to do. It sounds like you are willing to do the research. Like those above, I recommend you begin at the beginning of the POD casts. Next there is the TR Library, see the link above in the left margin.

Rob, the owner of this site once said about me, (not a direct quote) "one of the things about Dick's replies is, you may not like what he says but he says it like it is" or something to that affect. In other words, I'm not going to tell you what I think you want to hear but, the truth about this hobby according to my experience.

The favorite saying around the marine hobby is, "The only thing that happens fast in a marine aquarium is disaster". Take that to heart, it's true. You will have to develop patience in this hobby. Patience and research will reward you with a beautiful reef aquarium. Now to answer some of your questions...

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a pet store that i frequent has the 29G oceanic Bio Cube for 220$ - (and) - i think the biocube is a good deal since its all inclosed in its own little set up.
Personally, I am not a fan of the Nano aquarium for beginners. Because of their small size, the filter system integrated with it are simply not adequate for the bio load eventually put on the system. That limits the owner as to the number and size of the critters the system will successfully hold. As a beginner you don't know that limitation and are likely to exceed it causing problems that could wipe out your entire tank. Most experienced hobbyists modify the filter system to increase it's ability to maintain a larger bio load by adding a sump/refugium.

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how easy is it to set up a saltwater tank? i see now they sell pre mixed saltwater all ready to go to make it easier. is this a good thing?
It's very easy to set up a SW tank. If you take a few things into consideration before hand, it's easy to maintain, too. One of your first concerns is water source. DO NOT use tap water. Buy yourself an RO/DI unit of 100 gals per day. They can be had off E-bay for about $130. Do a search for Aquasafe Systems. Don't cheap out this piece of equipment by buying an RO unit only. Get the RO/DI unit. Why a 100 gpd unit? Because the cost difference is minimal AND when you go to a bigger aquarium in the near future, you will thank me.

Pre mixed water is for the rich and/or the lazy. You will best get to know your system ( a must) by mixing your own water.

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i was thinking of maybe getting some live rock and some clowns and maybe some crabs/lobsters.
Don't think about getting live rock (LR), it is the base of your filter system so definitely get about 1 1/2 lbs per gallon. It comes "cured" and "un cured". Both are ok as long as you understand the difference. The difference is the cured has gone through a cleaning process and the un cured has not. The cured will cycle your tank faster and less dramatically than the uncured. Personally, I like the uncured, BUT, if you are new to the hobby, I recommend the cured. I would avoid lobsters and limit the crabs to micro hermits and emerald crabs. Other crabs and lobsters will cause you many heart aches in lost critters, it's what they eat.

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i don't want mean or aggressive fish that will harm each other. i want a bright vibrant tank thats very appreciating to look at.
It's not only aggressive fish you don't want, re-read the above. A bright vibrant tank comes from careful planning and implementation of that careful planning. One of the worst mistakes we all make, especially as a beginner is impulse buying. Never buy a fish on impulse. Why??? Because the LFSs sell most fish in their juvenile size. As an example, that cute little Blue Tang, Paracanthus hepatus, that is sold as little as 1", grows to 12" in the wild. While the 1" size fits your 29 just fine, it is cruel and inhumane treatment for you to even buy one with a 29 gal tank. Keep that in mind and do your research ahead of time. A 29 gallon is a small tank and a great size for things that remain small. There's plenty of beautiful critters to chose from.

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does it take alot of time to care and tender a salt water tank? i work 40-45 hours a week and i hate to come home and have to take care of the tank every night you know. i know theres time needed to take care of it id just hate to have something thats so demanding.
It doesn't take a great deal of time to maintain any aquarium BUT, you had better be willing to commit whatever time it requires. You are setting up a holding tank to house some of the most beautiful critters God put on this earth. There is not an endless supply of these critters. Be committed to give them the best home possible or don't go into it.

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i read about skimmers and stuff like that, do i really need one?
Yes, and the other stuff, too, most likely.

Take this hobby to heart, do it right and you will be greatly rewarded, do it halfast and you will waste a lot of money, time and energy and leave frustrated, disgruntled and positive that reefing is impossible.

That's my word...

Hmm, where have we heard that before?

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i got the biocube 29g instead of the 55 they had.

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Old 01-09-2008, 09:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Hi intheb0x and to TR.

You've been given a lot of good advice already. Somewhat echoing Dick's advice I will say that I find my NanoCube24 more touchy than my 54 corner tank. RedSeaMax is a 34 gallon all-in-one tank but I believe it is more expensive than a BioCube or NanoCube. I do believe that they are more fully featured in that they come with a skimmer, heater, power control center, etc.
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Old 01-09-2008, 10:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
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In... you live in a large area. Chances are there is a reef club (search google) where you can meet up with experienced people and maybe get some leads on good used equipment. You might be able to get a good 75 gallon setup with all the equipment for 1/2 of new.
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Oops, didn't see your last post before I posted. You really won't need a filter. It sounds amazing but your live rock and live sand are your filtration! If you went with a non-drilled 55 and no sump I would say will want 70# or so of rock. You can save money by using mostly base rock (check out the rock at MarcoRocks a TR sponsor) and just a little LR. Skip the live sand in a bag and just use sand like this aragonite and your LR will seed it.

You can use distilled water or purchase it at the LFS but in a 55 you will have to buy an awful lot just for the initial setup. Add in weekly water changes and you will have your own unit paid for in a pretty short time.
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I would also add that the RO is not only good for the tank, but its good for people too. There is a lot of pollutants in our water that we are better off not intaking. Even if I were to get out of this hobby, I will always have an RO unit in my house...its worth every penny.
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