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Old 01-19-2007, 08:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Red face Dying Fish.

I've had my 120 gallon tank for about four months now. I bought a new fox face and some triggers.

The Bursa trigger looks like it's dying, it's laying on its side and shooting all around the tank.

The Fox Face is Yello and black (normal) then randomly goes BROWN like something in a video game when you get poisoned. LOL

I've tested the Nitrates and they are at 0/0 (tested with a test strip twice)

The ammonia is low as well.

The PH is at 7.8 - 8.0....

What is going on here!?

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Old 01-19-2007, 09:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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First off



Second, slow down. The tank is only 4 months old , and adding too much at once can throw things outta whack and result in death.

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I bought a new fox face and some triggers.
How many triggers, and what kind/kinds?

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The Bursa trigger looks like it's dying, it's laying on its side and shooting all around the tank.
How was this fish acclimated? Are you using a Quarantine tank?

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The Fox Face is Yello and black (normal) then randomly goes BROWN like something in a video game when you get poisoned. LOL
Its normal for foxface to change color when stressed, sleeping, or scared.

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The ammonia is low as well.
Ammonia should be undetectable. What is your ammonia reading?

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What is going on here!?
Too much livestock was added at once. Now some questions.

1) Is this a Fish Only FO tank
2) Does it contain any live rock
3) Is there any other livestock in there already?
4) What kind of triggers
5) How large are these fish
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Test strips are known to not be that accurate. You should get a regular testing kit.
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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hm did u get a whole bunch of fish at once?
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got to be fish only surely, we're talking about triggers here.
once you answer the below questions we should be able to dirrect you towards safe guarding a crash. it could be something simple like to much feeding not enough water changes or something far worst. clearly youv'e made the commitment to the cause, 120gal is a decent chunk of water.
giving the background, your approx experience level, mentioning anything thats happen in the past week (eg. change of procceedures, house if being painted ect ect) then others will be able to make better educated guesses. Most of all dont panic, you have some hardy fish there, they bounce back reasonably quickly.
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
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First off



Second, slow down. The tank is only 4 months old , and adding too much at once can throw things outta whack and result in death.



How many triggers, and what kind/kinds?



How was this fish acclimated? Are you using a Quarantine tank?



Its normal for foxface to change color when stressed, sleeping, or scared.



Ammonia should be undetectable. What is your ammonia reading?



Too much livestock was added at once. Now some questions.

1) Is this a Fish Only FO tank
2) Does it contain any live rock
3) Is there any other livestock in there already?
4) What kind of triggers
5) How large are these fish


We purchased two triggers, the trigger I mentioned in my original post ended up dying today.

I took a cup of water to my local fish store and they tested it. The water is FINE/PERFECT apparently. Four days ago we did a water change.

The guy at the store said it was most likely an issue with the fish and not the water/tank. This makes sense because all other fish are alive and swimming calmly (as opposed to darting across the tank because their gills are being burned)

We do have quite a bit live rock. We have a Bursa Trigger and a Niger Trigger.

These are the fish we have in our 120 Gal:

Powder Blue Tang
Bursa Trigger
Niger Trigger
Fox Face (rabbit fish)
Yellow Tang
One angel fish, (I forget it's exact name)
One LION fish (that ended up killing our starfish)
We have four False percula clown fish that hang out with each other!

Two Pink Tip anemone's which have been placed at the end of the tank (we have a tank separater so that they aren't eaten by the lion fish) We have the required light for the anemones and they seem to be thriving thankfully.

The diatom issue has gone away, (thank god)

We've had the tank for four months, as you can see we went all out....

You stated that ammonia should be undetectable so we went out and bought the remover and I will be testing it shortly. (thanks)
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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What do you guys think about "aquaripure" from aquaripure.com - it claims to remove nitrates!?!?!?

No more water changes!
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Check this out on ebay.

bring nitrates down to undetectable levels?!

What's your opinion on this? If this works, it is everyone aquarists dream.
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Almost speechless.

I wouldnt use the ammonia remover, it may affect the bacterial populations which you will need to keep the ammonia in check. Nitrates arent a huge issue for the fish, but for the anemone they could be a problem. This tank really isnt appropriate for an anemone.

I think the fish stocking is going to be a problem in the long run when the fish grow up possibly even sooner. Thats alot of fish for a 120g tank.
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Old 01-20-2007, 12:08 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I think you're just taking things too fast with your tank. I've had my tank up and running about the same length of time and I don't even have a quarter of the livestock you do, and I'm still putting off making my next purchase (which I've decided is gonna be a mandarin goby... YAY!). Its like a growing child... you can't expect it to be able to do everything you want it to do from the get go. Give it time to mature and settle between additions.

The brown spots on your foxface are probably just because of stress. My yellow tang had the same problem his first week in the tank, before he staked out a home territory to sleep in and feel safe. Most likely that'll stop... if you want to help him, try making a little cave or sticking a piece of PVC in the tank for him to feel safe in. He'll be fine.

Edit: Oh yeah... I would not go ANYWHERE near additives in your tank, especially when you're having problems with your livestock and you don't know why.
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Old 01-20-2007, 12:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi thud,

to TR. It sounds like you have a really nice setup. Can you tell us a little more about your filtration and lighting? You have started out rather quickly and it sounds out like you may not have received the best of advice. For instance the clowns & the lion are incompatible and the test strips are known to be unreliable.

So where do you go from here? Well you have made a good find in TR. There are lots of very knowledgeable hobbyists here that are happy to share their knowledge with you. This is a great hobby and we want to help you make your little bit of ocean a success!

You will probably hear our favorite proverb "The only thing that happens fast in a saltwater tank is DISASTER." more than once. (In time you will even find yourself repeating it!) We are going to ask you lots of questions and sometimes we are going to tell you that you have made a mistake. You will find out that sometimes we disagree with each other. That is because there are legitimate options in this hobby. There are also people who do things wrong and still have success.
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:02 AM   #12 (permalink)
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One more thing, if something promises to eliminate basic maintenance it is worthless at best and possibly bad for your tank.
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Old 01-20-2007, 08:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Your right Carmiejo, since I have come on to TR that what all the people who know what they are talking about say about additives. It's like weight loss, there are all kinds of pills out there who promise that all you have to do is take thier pill and poof, weight is gone. In reality for the majority of people it's just working out and eating healthy. There is no magic bullet out there. Except for flatworm exit lol
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Old 01-20-2007, 05:40 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Flatworm exit?
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Flatworm exit?
its a chemical used to kill flatworms
and its nor miracle.. while it works to kill flatworms it can be dangerous to use if not prepared properly
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