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Old 11-27-2006, 02:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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starting cycle with shrimp...

can you start a cycle in a new tank with shrimp when there is nothing alive in the tank
ie.. live sand, live rock?
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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you dont wanna kill the little shrimp do u? just jk.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Just Kidding" class="inlineimg" /> but if you add shrimp during the cycle it is not likely to survive. you need to wait until nh3/4 no2/3 are all at 0 before that you shouldnt add anything. patience is essential at this stage because the shrimp has to be fed you are adding nutrients to the tank when they are unable to handle them and by they i mean the bacteria.
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Old 11-27-2006, 09:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Justin,

Are you talking about a live marine shrimp or a frozen shrimp to start the cycle?
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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im assuming you mean the table shrimp method i talk about here and on the show..

you "can" but the problem is you need the sand and rock for the growing bacteria to colonize. it would not be very effective with out sand or rock
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Old 11-27-2006, 08:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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yes im sorry i guess i should have been a little more specific...
table shrimp, cocktale shrimp what evere you want to call it...

so there should be some live sand or live rock?

How would you go about starting the cycle when there is nothing in there?

this is my fathers tank he is setting up a fish only with fake rock and decorations.

Should i tell him to add some live sand?

there is regular sand already in there "crushed coral i belive" but its not live
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Old 11-27-2006, 09:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've used table shrimp and then started using pure ammonia.
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, pure ammonia is a very good method, but be sure to measure the correct doses every day and don't miss one time.
Another method of cycling tanks is to use one of the many commercial starter cultures availabe.
Ex: Biospira by Marineland Labs is supposed to cycle it in "just 3 days" but still a good place to start.
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Old 11-28-2006, 05:14 AM   #8 (permalink)
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It is tradition to eat that shrimp 4 days after it has been introduced to your tank.
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Old 11-28-2006, 05:51 PM   #9 (permalink)
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tasty! nothing wrong with a little extra sodium in your diet
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Old 11-28-2006, 05:53 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Cold Shrimp? Yuck! Put it in the microwave first!
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't think the sand has to be alive for the bacteria to colonize. I believe the sand is just a medium for the colonization. Kind of like a place to live and grow. Therefore, rthe crushed coral may be ok. Am I right here guys?
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Old 11-28-2006, 10:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Duane, that is what I was going to say. I think as long as there is some place for the bacteria to colonize, dead sand or base rock should be fine.
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Old 11-28-2006, 11:13 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I agree - bacteria need surface area to colonize otherwise they get suspended in the water and you'll end up with one enormous foggy tank. Also, kudos to you for going with thte table shrimp to start the cycle as opposed to some little critter like a damsel. I am happy to see people moving away from this practice.
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:11 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I honestly haven't heard of peeps cycling their tanks with live fish in a long time.... it is still common practice? I deal more with a seahorse forum and wasn't sure if the fishless cycle was more prominent in these specific tanks.
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Old 11-29-2006, 03:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Renee...

Yes, sadly enough, it is still practiced. I heard an LFS moron promoting the blue damsels as the "BEST cycle fish, bullet proof etc." just the other day.

Sad stuff eh!? When I hear that, I sometimes offer to go visit and show them alternative solutions to starting the cycle...one of which (if they get "uppidy") includes the use of ammonia, but I'm NOT going to divulge the source

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one of which (if they get "uppidy") includes the use of ammonia, but I'm NOT going to divulge the source
*trieds to get the image out of her head*

I'm on too many meds so I had to go BUY mine. Finding pure ammonia can be a very difficult task. But if anyone's ever looking for some, put a shout out to your area and I bet someone will know where to find it.
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Strange, I was just at my LFS (the one that I hate, if you've seen my other posts) to get a cleanup crew for my tank, since its just finishing its cycle (YAY!), and the dude there asked what I had in the tank to cycle it, and told him about my dead coral that came on the LR (it was uncured, apprently...) and the dead shrimp, and he told me that I needed a live fish to cycle the tank, and that my tank hadn't cycled yet. Of course, I've been testing for the last month, and the cycle has gone through nicely... this guy was a moron. He told me to get a few blue damsels to cycle the tank, and, since the cycles done anyway and they're cute, I decided to get them. Still... its frusterating having conversations with people like that.
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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