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Old 10-17-2007, 02:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Jasonanatal's Rimless Aquarium Journey.

Hello everyone, I have been recently pondering with the idea of setting up a Rimless Reef Ready Aquarium with Starphire Glass. I have been doing some Internet searches and the only company that I can locate that sells Rimless Reef Ready Aquariums with Starphire Glass is Glass Cages (Glasscages.com - Home). I'm curious to know what are everyone's thoughts on these types of Aquariums and if there are other vendors that manufacture them within the United States. I'm personally interested in a setup that is about 50 gallons of water (not including the sump or refugium) and a square setup as oppossed to the traditional wide and tall Aquariums that are currently dominating the market.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i cant help with the suppliers, cause where i live on mars they dont have glass for obvious reasons, But i'll ask the question on the rimless idea?
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i cant help with the suppliers, cause where i live on mars they dont have glass for obvious reasons, But i'll ask the question on the rimless idea?
Veriann, Thank you buddy it is much appreciated.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Use google (or whatever you prefer) and search on "trimless aquariums". I did and found this link:

Blue Series Aquariums and Packages

I'm sure there were more. Check it out.

IMO, in theory the tanks look very cool. I have seen them in person and they really stand out. My problem with them is that the ones I've seen don't make it easy to hide your plumbing. Many don't even have overflows. What's the point in having a beautiful tank if the plumbing is going to be obvious? IMO.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hello everyone, I have been recently pondering with the idea of setting up a Rimless Reef Ready Aquarium with Starphire Glass. I have been doing some Internet searches and the only company that I can locate that sells Rimless Reef Ready Aquariums with Starphire Glass is Glass Cages (Glasscages.com - Home). I'm curious to know what are everyone's thoughts on these types of Aquariums and if there are other vendors that manufacture them within the United States. I'm personally interested in a setup that is about 50 gallons of water (not including the sump or refugium) and a square setup as oppossed to the traditional wide and tall Aquariums that are currently dominating the market.
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"Rimless" tanks are a bit of a misnomer. I once said to my brother "I'm considering getting a rimless tank." He scratched his head, and after some thought replied - "I'm trying to visualize a tank without a rim..." At that moment, I realized that I meant "frameless" instead of "rimless".

On nano-reef.com, DIY frameless tanks seem to be the cutting edge, no pun intended. Further research revealed that people interested in the very Zen-like "Planted" tanks[/url] preferred the clean lines of frameless tanks. Most frameless tank owners prefer the clearer "Starphire" (low-iron) glass since the frameless design typically requires thicker glass.

Manufacturers of frameless tanks that are available in the US include (but not limited to) ADA, Lee-Mar, and Elos.

ADA specializes in Planted Tanks, so they have limited models with built-in overflows. Some models are available in "high clarity", and the prices are reasonable for very good construction. One criticism is that their glass is a bit thin.

I have only heard great things about Lee-Mar's premium tanks, but they are only available as custom order from LFS's. They may have models that are standard, but most LFS do not know enough to guide you, and Lee-Mar's website is useless. Many Lee-Mar tanks I have seen have very clean Euro-bracing, but I assume you can get them to do a truly frameless tank. I am not sure if they are widely available outside of California, but they are sweet. Not cheap, however. Lee-Mar also makes nice stands.

ELOS is an Italian premium maker of frameless tanks. They specialize in turnkey systems including tank, overflow, sump, stand, skimmer, ATO, and plumbing. Very expensive, but very nice. Many of their models have been offered in "Crystal" (low-iron) for little to no extra cost. They also do custom tanks and stands, but at a extra-premium. ELOS has a presence on RC, and their rep (Jesse) is very diligent and knowledgeable.

Some Nano manufacturers, such as older glass Finnex models, Cadlights (bowfront) and now Current USA have made or are now making frameless models.

Some nano enthusiasts have decided to build their own, and several have purchased glass from Nano-Paul on NR with great success. I have not seen any enthusiast create silicone seams as well as ELOS or Lee-Mar yet.

Ordering frameless tanks from Glasscages is an option. I have heard not so great things about their Acrylic work and customer service.

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Old 10-17-2007, 01:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ooops. Good catch! I forgot to mention them. Their custom page has some pictures of their fabrication shop and a couple of tank pics.

Aquariumobsessed "Blue Series" tank packages are very expensive, but it is obvious that the components are all hand-picked premium items. The only thing I am not a fan of are the stock package DT dimensions. I am not a huge fan of the cube...I'd rather have a bit more length than height.

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Old 10-17-2007, 01:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Use google (or whatever you prefer) and search on "trimless aquariums".
LOL. I have heard them refered to as Rimless, Frameless and Trimless. I think the proper terminology should be "braceless", since it has neither a frame-brace nor a euro-brace.

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Old 10-17-2007, 04:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Ordering frameless tanks from Glasscages is an option. I have heard not so great things about their Acrylic work and customer service.
One follow up before I shut up...

One post I found on reefs.org is consistent with reports I have heard from several other glasscages.com customers. Their glass work is decent and inexpensive, acrylic work a bit sloppy, and their customer service a bit tempermental. Perhaps this is the price you pay for their aggressive pricing? I have never dealt with them myself, but I would not deal with any company with a short fuse when it comes to dealing with customer problems. I would rather pay a little extra for the support that may be required after the sale.

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Old 10-17-2007, 04:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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4 in a row!!! That's gotta be a record!
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
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roselavy -

I agree that "braceless" is the proper term.

And yes - ELOS was the other brand I was trying to think of. I have seen these tanks and they are stunning. Everything about them is first class, including the price. Yikes!
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I was quite impressed with the Elos display at MACNA. The Zero Edge acrylic tanks were neat too.
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Did you guys see the tank that had water flowing over the sides at MACNA?
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Did you guys see the tank that had water flowing over the sides at MACNA?
If that wasn't Zeroedge, they should really check their ATO...
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what gives the bouble reflection in that shot carmie>?
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