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Old 09-20-2007, 10:34 PM   #26 (permalink)
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upgrade planning spiels never end bubble, you know you have the bug brother, & it will bite again in about 2 years im tipping, they should do a reality show called reefkeeping overhaulin
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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upgrade planning spiels never end bubble, you know you have the bug brother, & it will bite again in about 2 years im tipping, they should do a reality show called reefkeeping overhaulin

You know what brother, I have had this bug deep inside me after I got my first pair of Jack Dempsy's when I was 5 years old. The bug keeps getting deeper and deeper. I don't think I will ever have a chance to get it out.

I think two years is right on the money as I will surely outgrow this tank and look into a 300 - 500g in the future. Need a bigger house though
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Plumbing

Plumbing the tank went pretty smoothly. Mike used a special flexible PVC that I have to say is absolutely fantastic. It is not your typical flexible that you buy at Home Depot. It bends a great deal more but is sturdy enough not to create and creases in the tubing. The amount of head loss saved is signifcant considering the amount of elbows and 45's that were avoided due to the use of the spaflex. At Menards you can buy these horseshoe clamps that really helped to create a clean set up allowing for maximum workability under the tank. The Spaflex was easily tacked to the stand to get it out of the way. I will never use strictly rigid PVC again - the spaflex made for a much more manageable system.

Here is a link I found to purchase some for future tank builds. It is a bit more expensive than rigid but well worth it. I am sure there are other places to purchase it - do a search and I am sure you will find other options.

Buy flexible pvc pipe at FlexPVC.com PVC pipe, hose, & pvc fittings online @ wholesale discount prices (flexable)

You also need a different PVC glue than you typically buy because the spaflex likes to push itself back out. You must hold it in place with force for a minute or two to make sure it stays in place. The PVC glue is in a baby blue container made by the same brand as the typical stuff you buy at Home Depot although you can't find it at Home Depot. It is a bit more expensive as well. It says WELDON PVC 795 on the front of the container.

Here is a shot of the left side of the sump showing you how everything is tucked away - notice the horse shoe clamps as well. I have no PVC right over the sump allowing for easy siphoning and clean up.



In this next shot(already seen) you can see everything tucked away so that the pvc was not a factor in fitting the skimmer into place



After getting the system started it was obvious that the Dart was too strong(turned it way down) and the sump was creating a ton of noise. I only had one sock at the time that came with the sump and it really did not do the greatest job of keeping the detritus out of the sump. I purchased several socks so I can have some for back up. I also teed off the the one dangling drain to help vent it more to reduce the gurgling noise. The socks have eliminated all microbubbles in the display and is about as quiet as any sump I have ever heard. I also rigged a 200 micron bag on the skimmer return filled with purigen - there are two phosban reactors on the back side of the sump one filled with Phosban and the other with carbon. I have to say this tank after being cycled is crystal clear I am sure the carbon and purigen are responsible. Notice about 30lbs of live rock in the sump - I threw in all the small pieces I did not want in the display tank - more on this later. I know the socks are dirty - just took the pic this am and will be doing a water change momentarily.



The Dart has 2 returns that are teed off with pseudo locline giving me 4 jets to strategically place in the aquarium. I love this approach as they can be adjusted however I see fit - and did I mention how powerful these things are

Here is a shot of the whole system while being filled with water - this was a happy day for sure

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Old 09-22-2007, 05:53 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Jim, your new tank it great! It is obvious that you have really done your homework and it shows.
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Jim, your new tank it great! It is obvious that you have really done your homework and it shows.

Thanks CarmieJo I had almost two months waiting on the tank and the stand to plan everything out. You always run into a few obstacles along the way no matter how well you plan. I am glad I was able to trouble shoot any issue that came up
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:51 AM   #31 (permalink)
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sweet, how did you get black water? lol

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sweet, how did you get black water? lol

You probably can't see the octopus that I cycled the tank with - I think he was a little upset with me and squirted dye all over the place
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Hey V. , I am trying man
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Live Rock - Cycling pt 1

I have heard of many successful ways of cycling a new tank and curing live rock.

People have cycled tanks by:

1. Adding fish to the tank - I feel this is cruel to the fish no matter how hardy the species especially prior to the first two weeks the system has started cycling.

2. Adding table shrimp or something to decompose in the tank - I have never tried this method although I am sure it gets the system going.

3. Actually urinating in the tank - I know it is hard to beleive, but I recently heard a guy say this is what he does. Personally, I would not want to begin the life of any ecosystem by desecrating it in such a rude manner. I can imagine their is quite a bit of ammonia in our urine, but please people I think we have other options.

4. and finally adding uncured live rock for the cycle - this is the only method I have tried and I am definitely not changing my ways. If it aint broke, no need to fix it. I know people have reasons to cure their rock outside of their system, but I feel their is so many benefits to curing the rock inside of the display tank that I don't want to trouble myself with setting up another system just for the live rock. It is not that I have not done this before, but the bad experience I had caused me to never do it again. First off, most people will use an inadequate container in regards to the total water volume possible which creates enormously high ammonia levels. I am not a bioligist, but can imagine that all that is left alive inside the pores of the rock would certainly not be able to survive ammonia spikes that are undetectable by test kits. All of that good stuff that is the reason we choose to use live rock in the first place needs to be in the display tank in my opinion. I was taught to start out a system this way twelve years ago by Jason(from previous post) and man did I have a lot of life when the lights went off - w/o a refugium mind you. I can remember coming home in the middle of the night(I was young once too) and turning on the room lights and seeing swarms of buggers all over the tank. It was like marine locusts had swooped in and taken over the tank. I can safely say that the quality of the live rock was definitely responsible. Jason cured his live rock for sale in a 200g tub connected to a 150g refugium(12 years ago - a man before his time). When I took a piece of rock out of this tub my arm was crawling with little buggers to the point where I had to drop the rock. To this day I have never seen a tank with swarms like this or live rock of this quality.

Now, I can understand if people have had bad experiences with pests that come in on rock that after this experience they don't ever want to risk getting this into their system. Fair enough but again if you know how to get a hold of quality live rock from reputable people the benefits of uncured live rock for a display tnak far outweighs the risks in opinion.

Meeting people in this hobby can be very helpful especially when they have connections. Mike was generous enough to call me in some quality Pompeii live rock and Pompeii fused branch that so far has paralleled the quality I received from Jason.

Here is a shot of the three 50lb boxes I got from Mike - The uncured