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Old 02-25-2006, 08:03 AM   17 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
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Amphibious' 135 gal Reef

Some of you have been following a different thread about this project. It's time to give it it's own place on the forum.

I'll do a full bio some other time, for now know that my experience is extensive. In the hobby for 59 years and exclusively salt for the last 38.

The tank is a used 135 gal Acrylic with an overflow on one end. It was a clear back until I painted it blue. It has a few minor scratchs. What used tank doesn't? I built a stand out of 2 x 6s, plywood and screwed it together instead of nailing. I think the screws are more secure. I finished the plumbing 2/24/06 and filled it with water for testing. Good test, no leaks and the flow rate looks good. Of course it will be different when I switch it to salt in a few days. Right now I have a Mag 24 (2400 gph at 0 head) may go to Mag36 or different brand if these prove not to be sufficient. A 1" Sea Swirl and a UV sterilizer have been ordered.

Here's a pic showing the tank with the stand I built.



Here's a pic of the plumbing before the test.



This is where the project is as of this morning. The tank is standing silently waiting to be drained, cleaned up and refilled with RO/DI water and salt.

I subscribe to the DSB filtering methodology. I've used it successfully for years. There are critics of the DSB but, it works for me because I do something different than the traditional or standard DSB. I recently described it on TalkingReef and rather than repeat it, you can read it here - DSB thread.

You can see a trickle filter under the tank. It is temporary. This will be replaced with a sump/refugium shortly. I didn't want to wait for a sump to be built. I removed the bio balls and will replace with LR and aragonite sand in sump area. Trickle filters have no place in a reef set-up, IMHO.

My idea is to create a mixed reef with SPS, LPS corals, some Ricordia, zoos, clams, other neat things I can't think of right now, the usual sand bed stirrers and a few fish.

I will update when there is something to add. Any questions?
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Old 02-25-2006, 12:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Looks great Dick. Will be watching all your progress with this project. I would say I'd be taking notes...but I think I'll just bookmark the thread. :-)
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Thanks Scott. I hope everyone gets some benefit from this.

Here's a schocker, just read our well water, it reads 740 TDS. Man oh man, I'm glad we decided to drink bottled water when we moved in. We have some reservation about pesticide residue because this is an old grove. My old RO/DI takes it down to 011 TDS. I'll have to use that for now. I ordered a new unit but, it hasn't gotten here yet.

The Durso overflow drains are in. They sure quiet thinks down. The system has been running all day without a hitch. Probably let it run overnight, drain it tomorrow and clean it up. I'm making water as fast as possible but it may be a day or two before I've got enough. I need a booster pump with the well.
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Love the setup, very clean plumbing! You did a great job! Love the acrylic tank...very nice. Can't wait to see when you stock it.
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Old 02-25-2006, 04:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Dick, I guess I'll have to read up a little more on RO stuff....don't have a clue what TDS is. Granted the RO unit I ordered (won't ship till next week I hear) comes with a TDS meter.

I really like how you are documenting your project, both with photo's and explanations. Will be a great resource for anyone setting up a larger tank (maybe me one day). :-)
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TDS = Total disolved solids. Things that cause great headachs for us. Sorry short explaination. Just walking out the door to go to Orlando for reef meeting and it's 1 1/2 hour drive. Somebody else may chime in with explanation.
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Excellent Dick!
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I did a google search too, found out what it stood for. I'll read up more later to get a better understanding. :-)

Have a fun time at your meeting.
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Thanks gwen_o_lyn

Short update.

My RO/DI unit is making water but, with only 40psi water pressure from the well it's like drip, drip, drip. Not quite that bad but it seems like it. I have about 4" of Southdown sand washed and in and about 3/4 full of saltwater. Finish the fill over the weekend and post pictures then.

I have a new RO/DI unit on the way I'm going to install in the utility room with a 55 gal plastic barrell and auto shut off. I guess I'll install a booster pump, too.

Have a great weekend everyone.
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UPDATE

I posted my plans for a DSB in this tank on another thread on TR and rather than type the whole thing a gain, I copied it here. So, if you read it before read it again or skip to the next entry.

I'm a advocate of DSB with aragonite sand. My method is modified from the standard DSB. Most people doing a DSB put their LR right on top of the sand. IMHO, that's a mistake. When ever I've talked to some one who "tried" a DSB and would never have another, laid the LR on the sand. This causes problems in about a year or two. The area under the LR becomes stagnant from top to bottom. This leads to failure of the DSB and problems for the reef. I'm not a scientist, I can't explain it technically, sorry. However, my methedology is different and it seems to avoid the problem.

Here's what I do. I'm going to do a 5" DSB. I'll seed it with 40lbs of LS bringing it up a bit above 5". Prior to setting my LR I'll strategicly place pieces of 1 1/2" x 6" PVC pushed to the bottom of the tank. The PVC will be drilled with holes to allow passage of water and the all important worms, pods, whatever lives in the sand. Next comes flat pieces of rock resting on the PVC. You have to be creative in placing the flat rock because your LR will be built on top of that. You can change locations as you build.

Ok, picture the LR in place, none of it leaning against the back of the aquarium. At the top rear of the tank I have two bulkheads drilled through the top (I've used Acrylic tanks exclusively since 1974 because of the flexibility they provide.) - (You were just a little girl), oops, better stay on topic. I'll take pictures and do a progressive post when ready.

These bulkheads hold what is essentially a spray bar but they are submerged so they don't spray. They direct a flow of water vertically down the back of the tank and the flow naturally goes under the flat rock holding the LR off the sand. Bingo, no dead stagnant areas under the LR and the area is flushed clean.

The purpose of the DSB is to provide both arobic and anarobic areas for the different nitrifying bacteria to perform their magic. Keeping the underside of the LR health is a challange, maybe impossible long term, if the rock is on the sand. I've kept a sand bed tank for ten years with no problems using this method. The only reason the tanks were torn down was a move.

Here's a link to pictures on my website showing how I do this and the spray bar. The spray bar doesn't show in the first picture. Scroll down, there are four pictures and you can see it in three.

Here's the link - DSB- pictures.
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More update

Tank is filled with RO/DI, IO salt and has been circulating for about 24 hrs. The DSB is about 4" and will be increased to 5" with LS. In the picture below you can see pieces of 2" PVC x 6" long. These will be trimed to 5 1/2" to keep the