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Old 04-22-2006, 01:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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E. Borneman has our worst nightmare!

just found out about this Eric hada major tank crash I had the plessure of meeting him at MMC and all I can say is he isa very nice guy. Not at all what I had heard or would have thought. I know he is taking this very very hard to less then when a family member dies only for him he lost serveral hundred if not thousands of loved ones. in his own words he wrote on the marine depot forum the fallowing..

Eric 1st wrote

I went to lab this morning and had Acropora palmata
thriving and corals over a foot across. Came home
tonight to the tank cloudy and salinity of 15ppt. I
don't know if someone sabotaged the tank or what
because the autofiller was working. Whatever the case,
by the morning, almost everything in my tank will be
dead and I cannot do this anymore. Whatever is left I
will give to our local club. I hope the fish live.

I no longer feel capable of answering posts. My heart
and pride and joy was lost in eight hours and I can't
bear it. Thanks everyone for your support.

latter he updated with the fallowing



EB:

I promised myself I wouldn't come bck and read this
thread, but I love all of you and am sobbing as I type
this. Thank you all so very very much.

Depite everything I have done, it seems that something
was set into motion that was unstoppable. The only
corals to survive were all my Psammacora, a Fungia,
and a Pavona chip, Several others are alive but
continuing to die, no matter what I try. All the fish
lived, except maybe a wrasse - I think. The water is
still too cloudy to see through after three days of
skimming, carbon and 600 gallons of water changes.
Those that are still alive and hanging on are bleached
white and many of those are loosing what tissue is
left. Basically, I have rocks. The coraline died, the
sponges died as did all the other life on them. Most a
sitting in a pile on my living room floor to stop
further fouling. Everything. I have never, despite
monstrous accidental faults of my own, power outages,
A'C failures and even a top off malfunction have I
seen anything like this. To bring the salinity up
alone required 350 gallons of salt. My skimmer drains
to the outside, so there would have been a pool of
some 400 gallons of water if the skimmer was
overflowing and the skimmer was at a perfect skimming
level that evening when I got home. No water in the
sump room from sump overflow. Auto-top working
perfectly then and now. I hate to think somone would
do this, but as far as I can tell, that is the only
conceivable thing I can think of. I have cried daily,
and I am crying now. Some of the species I had can
never be replaced. I filled several curbside trash
cans with coral skeletons.


Thank you all so much for you beautiful words. I have
thousands of fragments in culture, sadly limited in
types, could never afford to restock the tank to what
is was, and it will be 5- 10 years before - and if -
it ever resembles what it did a few days ago. Thank
you for your well wishes and offers. Sadly, to see the
massive corals in my tanks replaced by chips and
fragments is too much to consider right now. I will
care for my culture system and my bedroom tanks and
let this tank stabilize for several months and see
what else lives or dies.

I do realize, however, that my love of this hobby and
corals still exists, and I will be here for you,
though with a very sad heart to help how I can, if not
only to help anyone else from ever experiencing
anything of this magnitude. So while I may have been
premature saying I am leaving the hobby, I won't. But,
posting without my inspiration behind glass sitting
beside me will be a heartwrenching task.

My dear wife, Brandee, said "when we restock, we
restock together so I can know everything there is to
know about everything that goes in the tank." I
promised.
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Old 04-22-2006, 11:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is truly a regrettable event for Eric. I have been reading Erics books, articles and posts for some time. I think he is one of the cornerstones of the hobby. To have this happen to him, well I am just dumb founded.

You know. We need to find out if this is a man made event or a natural event. I have read of this happening many times. Even had it happen in a smaller way to one of my tanks. I say smaller but it did take my tank down. So I guess it was not so small. At the time I just chalked it up to inexperience on my part. I had a large salinity drop and the tank got cloudy and down it went.
I am sure that when Eric gets his feet back under him he will get to the bottom of this.
I did much the same. First grief and declaring to leave the hobby then I got mad at myself for doing something wrong then vowing to do it better and moving on. I am sure Eric will be back.
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Old 04-22-2006, 04:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Man - that's horrible! I know how much this hobby is Eric's life and blood. What a strange thing to happen. I'm sure he had ever precaution possible in his set-up. I guess it just goes to show that we can never be to sure, huh?

Poor guy...I can't even imagine what he's feeling right now!
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ohhh mang! sorry for the losses dude.
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I'd like to start a conversation about the possibilities of ion overload. I find it highly unlikely that someone would intentionally do this to Eric. It sounds like a lot of work and there are much easier ways to destroy someone's tank. Seeing as how there are many many stories of peoples tanks crashing and turning to a milky substance with everything in the tank dying, I would think that maybe this is worth doing some serious thinking about the methods that we use for increasing calcium levels, maintaing alkalinity and the salt mixtures that we use.

Salinity is measured by dissolved salt content and I would imagine that if the Ca2+ levels were to get too high in a system, then why wouldn't the NaCl disassociate and form CaCl, which would also cause a rise in pH?

I'm just playing with ideas here...there are multiple ways of raising calcium levels in our tanks and it just makes sense that if certain levels of ions/salts were to get out of balance that they could pull ions/salts out of solution, thus resulting in a reducting of salinity.

Maybe we could ask Randy about this stuff?

It certainly would be good precautionary measures if we knew what chemical reactions were causing these types of things to happen!
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I was at the Western Marine Conferenc when Eric B was there speaking. His tank crashed just three days before. He spoke with much dispair. He almost cryed, maybe he did, his voice sure cracked. I know this type of loss must really hit him hard. It was his life's work. Maybe we can all get together and send him some frags and He can rebulid his tank. Sometime things like this happen for a reason. I'm sure he will learn some very valueable things from this and will know more than before.
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Man, I just got around to reading this thread....what a heart wrenching thing to have happen...and read about.
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update

if you read his thread someone either made a large mistake or did it on purpose the latter being most likley there was a garden hose in his sump not the norm at all for eric. the water was not on so somebody turned it on and off.. he estimates it will be 6 months till the tank is ready to support like again his sand bed is still alive and he doesn't want to kill that by a starting over.. he said he might be intrested in frags in the future but it will be a while. Eric has had his share of drama and it might be odd to wonder why somebody would do it. they are simply somebody idea of wanting distruction like throwing rocks though a window. revenge somebody he has ticked off.. jelousy or his sump just looked like a cool place to dump 400 gallons of water. I hope to see him at Imac have a beer with him I met him at MMC I am not sure how much he will want to talk about all this but if he does I will tell you what up.. also hope to be in the chat Saturday if we are not partying lol..
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no it was not overload

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I'd like to start a conversation about the possibilities of ion overload. I find it highly unlikely that someone would intentionally do this to Eric. It sounds like a lot of work and there are much easier ways to destroy someone's tank. Seeing as how there are many many stories of peoples tanks crashing and turning to a milky substance with everything in the tank dying, I would think that maybe this is worth doing some serious thinking about the methods that we use for increasing calcium levels, maintaing alkalinity and the salt mixtures that we use.

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I'm just playing with ideas here...there are multiple ways of raising calcium levels in our tanks and it just makes sense that if certain levels of ions/salts were to get out of balance that they could pull ions/salts out of solution, thus resulting in a reducting of salinity.

Maybe we could ask Randy about this stuff?

It certainly would be good precautionary measures if we knew what chemical reactions were causing these types of things to happen!
read the thead www.marinedepot.com/forums look for his section it is not normal for over 400 gallons of water via garden hose to be dumped in Eric's at this time Eric feels it might have been a kids idea of a joke that is what he is leaning towards
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Hey labman - I'll check out the update. I had read the thread that he posted, but when I read it he hadn't said anything about finding a garden hose in his sump, or that there was 400g of extra water in the sump. So, in light of this, I would agree...sounds and smells like foul play! :-(
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