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Old 09-10-2008, 09:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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nuisance algae need advice

what is the best way to get rid of nuisance algae,
despite regular water changes and picking this stuff off the rocks it keeps growing back,
my nitrates are 0ppm confirmed with 2 different test kits
my phosphates are also 0ppm with different tests
i have since set up a turf algae screen but that has only been running for a day and a half so its not working yet,
what do all you folks do to rid this stuff from your dt,s
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Have you tried running something like Phosban, RowaWhos or PhosLock (granular ferric oxide)? I have heard that unless your phosphate is really high, quite often the algae will consume the phosphate before its traceable via a test and therefore keep your nuisance algae growing despite having low to no reading.

I added some Pura Phoslock from Magnavore about a month ago and between adding a filter sock to my overflow discharge into the sump and five Trochus snails, my algae is going away. No more green water, cyno gone, just a few small patches of healthy looking turf algae I can live with, and the rocks are looking clean again! There are some areas where the algae is turning brown and dying off. Every few days I blow some water at the rock and kick up the detritus to get it in the water column and notice nice big brown chunks peeling off the rocks. Now I'm starting to wonder if all my snails will starve
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perhaps its worth a go with phos reacter, as to your snails starving i have heard of people blanching lettuce leaves to put in for there snails tangs etc once the algae is gone,,
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I went with the PhosLock since it was cheaper than ROWA or Phosban and all the comparative studies seemed about the same. You can pick up a container for under $20 that should last you 6 months, not a bad insurance policy.

I also heard about sticking some Nori in the rocks as well, would probably go that route since its seaweed anyway, cheaper and can store longer than lettuce.
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whats nori, i,m from uk and never heard of that b4
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Its the green stuff that is wrapped around sushi. Its thin, dark green and comes in a sheet. You can pick it up from most Asian markets. Nori - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know in the UK there are many Indian food places but i don't think curry is as effective
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Make sure you have alot of current in your tank.
I also would brush off the algea w/ a toothbrush(never used before)then I would do a water change. siphon as much out as possible.
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I'm not a fan of adding chemicals to a tank. Also this is just a bandaid and not finding the real solution. Are you just going to continue to add chemicals forever??
First thing I would do is try to identify the algae. I've heard talks about algaes that are pretty much impossible to get rid of, but thats pretty rare to pick up something like that.
If this is just green hair algae, then a kick booty skimmer, RODI water, healthy cleanup crew (turbos are amazing) and lots of water changes should fix that. Another thing, do you bulbs need replacing??

To me, the healthy way to eliminate problems is to naturally approach the issue.
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i agree with Gwen !! imagine that.
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I've been fighting a NASTY outbreak of Bryopsis for nearly a year. Now, I can happily say it is nearly gone. Not knowing where it came from nor how to get rid of it, here are the changes I made along the way, all the while hoping against hope that something would make a difference. In the end, I think each of the following had an effect on it's dwindling away.

The first thing is to attack it with fingers, tweezers, anything to rip if out of the rock. In my 135, I could collect one half a beer pitcher amount two days in a row. After about two hours of picking the dreaded crap, I would quit in disgust. The next day, the half side I picked was such an improvement, I'd do the other half. BUT, you can't strip it bare and in a month it was back, even worse. After many months of this, it was clear the Bryopsis loved my tank conditions. YUK!!! However, harvesting it is a form of nutrient export. How many times have we heard or read about the importance of nutrient export?

Second, my CUC was a little sparse so I added 100 hermits from IPSF of Hawaii. They seemed to make a dent in the Bryopsis but it was still out of control. My picking, ripping and swearing events were now only every 6 to 8 weeks apart. Progress in any form, is still progress.

Third, a friend gave me a small clump of red algae for my sump, which had a small clump of Chaeto also. They both were about golfball size. They didn't seem to be growing under an old (30 yrs) 14" fluorescent lamp. I bought a new bulb, a "sun" lamp. It didn't seem to make any difference to the "good" algae.

Fourth, a friend told me the tiny hermits he collects in the Keys eradicated his problem algae in about a month in his 75 gal. GREAT, now I just have to drive 4 to 5 hours, one way, collect 100 of these little hermits and...wait...gas at $4 a gallon...probably an overnight trip...not a chance. OK, where can I buy some Keys Hermits??? Well, didn't have to. About a month ago he called and said he was returning from the Keys and did I want some hermits? DID I??? You bet! He stopped by and gave me about 75 (didn't count, guessed) tiny Hermit Crabs. I looked at them and thought, they are not going to make a dent in this Bryopsis crap.

Fifth, I noticed my two tangs (7" Sohal and 5" Desjardinii) would pick at the algae for a few days after I thinned it out. I held back on feeding Nori for a few days after thinning the algae. When they turned their noses up to the Bryopsis, I gave back their Nori treat.

Sixth, I introduced several Atlantic Dwarf Sea Hares to no avail. They did their usual disappearance act. I also introduced an urchin. He just picks up shells and zoanthids on his back and carries them around like decoration. Kind of reminds me of Minnie Pearl's hats. Don't know who Minnie Pearl is??? Man, you are young! The urchin turns out to be a good bulldozer, toppling my frags. Remember that when you think about getting an urchin. It's not that they are all bad, just keep that in mind.

Now today, I'm ecstatic to report, the Bryopsis is nearly gone. There are a few spots of it that are hanging tough but, not a problem like before. I can now pick the bulk of it in about a half hour (being leisurely about it), the tangs come by and pick a bit, the hermits are doing their thing and I am enjoying a clean aquascape again. OH, the red algae and Chaeto in the sump have multiplied into nice sized clumps, too.

Bottom line thoughts on this event is this... Our "systems", taken in their entirety, produce nutrients in abundance, Nitrates, Phosphates. If tested for, they show up. With regular water changes they mostly remain in check. Allow an algae to get introduced and it will begin to utilize the nutrients. That's why our tests eventually come up 0 ppm. This is good, when it's a desirable algae, not good when it's a nuisance algae such as Bryopsis. My Bryopsis was growing at an equal rate it could get nutrients. I suppose Phosban and reactor might have been the answer. But that's another on going expense I didn't want to aquire (this hobby has enough of those). Plus, we've all had successful reef aquariums that didn't have nuisance algae outbreaks. I knew once I eradicated the Bryopsis with herbivores, pruning and alternate nutrient absorbers (desirable algae in the sump/refugium) the problem would go away. And, it is going away.

Problem algae is a double edge sword. You hate when it arrives but, it is a sign that something is out of balance in your system. Look for that imbalance, correct it and you are on your way to eliminating the problem algae.

I hope the above scenario has given you ideas and hope.

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I'm not a fan of adding chemicals to a tank. Also this is just a bandaid and not finding the real solution. Are you just going to continue to add chemicals forever??
First thing I would do is try to identify the algae. I've heard talks about algaes that are pretty much impossible to get rid of, but thats pretty rare to pick up something like that.
If this is just green hair algae, then a kick booty skimmer, RODI water, healthy cleanup crew (turbos are amazing) and lots of water changes should fix that. Another thing, do you bulbs need replacing??

To me, the healthy way to eliminate problems is to naturally approach the issue.
i dont use any chemicals what soever at the moment, i,ve tried the natural root of a turf algae screen but thats only been running for 2 days now, i,ve also introduced a 60 litre tank with culurpa green grape and cheoto some of the algae has died off but i can see new shoots of green hair algae, my nitrates are 0ppm and phosphates are also 0ppm, i was just generally asking for advice on getting rid of this ugly stuff,
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over the last couple of days i have noticed the nuisance algae i,ve been suffering with is eventually starting to die off, i,m sure the second 60 litre tank that i placed my calurpa green grape and cheato are starting to take up the nutrients before the nuisance stuff, i,m so pleased today that my tank is half way to looking great again,
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Bear, glad its starting to come around! Make sure you spend the time to double check everything out to see if you can ID the source of the excess nutrients as well to keep it away for good (we all hope right!)
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Consider spiking your Magnesium to 1600ppm. It will have little effect on any creatures in your tank, but it will wipe out more hair-like and bryopsis algaes.

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