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Old 12-31-2005, 06:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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From Bio balls to Live rock???

I need a little assistance please. I am currently running a wet/dry sump with bio balls. I've heard and read that for an astablished reef/fish tank it's a good idea to remove the bio balls and replace them with live rock. The tank has been up and running fine for about two years now. Here's the question: when I put the live rock into the sump, does it have to be completely submerged? Will it be okay half submerged and the water trickles down over the top of all of it? Will I now have to "light" up my sump since it will contain LR? Thanks for any and all help,

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Old 12-31-2005, 06:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: From Bio balls to Live rock???

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I need a little assistance please. I am currently running a wet/dry sump with bio balls. I've heard and read that for an astablished reef/fish tank it's a good idea to remove the bio balls and replace them with live rock.
Yes, i agree with this.

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The tank has been up and running fine for about two years now. Here's the question: when I put the live rock into the sump, does it have to be completely submerged? Will it be okay half submerged and the water trickles down over the top of all of it?
no, LR must stay completely submered. the LR wil host Bacteria that live in in the rock, not on it. they live deep in the rock were oxygen levels are low. if you simple trickle water over the top, there will not be enough water "in" int he rock to support these types of bacteria.

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Will I now have to "light" up my sump since it will contain LR? Thanks for any and all help
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technically if its only LR you dont need lights, again the purpose of live rock is the anaerobic bacteria IN the rock. that said, i woudl also suggest adding some macro algae in there also. macro algae needs light, but a simple NO (normal output) light is fine. personally i use a flouresent light that is meant to go under a kitchen cabinet. you can get them for about $10-20 at the hardware store.

let me know if you have further questions.
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Old 12-31-2005, 11:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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A bit at a time!

Remember to do the swap -gradually- or you'll most likely crash the tank.

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Old 01-01-2006, 01:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Remember to do the swap -gradually- or you'll most likely crash the tank.

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yes, thanks i totally forgot to mention that...
geez, what would i do with out you guys fillin in for my short commings...
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Ok, I'm getting really confused now. I keep doing research on the web and I'm getting a lot of conflicting advice. Some say "yes," and some say "absolutely not!" I'm just trying to figure out a way to keep the tank as "pure" as possible.

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no problem...
lets break this down for ya so theres no confusion..

so for starters.
where does teh confusion lie...
why you shouldnt use bio-balls?
or the process to transition from bio-balls to live rock?

let em knwo exactly what you are confused on and we will help explain it.
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ok, I'm confused on whether I should take the bio balls out and replace them with LR, or just leave them in as it is. I just heard of the idea a while back and was wondering if it was a good idea to do. Would it benefit my tank any? Or would it not make any difference at all?

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ok, thats what i was afraid of, that of course is the harder question to answer...

so heres the deal.
bio balls, create an moist highly oxygenated area, over time aerobic bacteria colonize in this area. these types of bacteria breakdown nitrite and the byproduct of this is nitrate.
now that said, were is the problem, this should be a good thing right?
well it is, but as long as your system can handle the nitrates. the thing about wet/dry filters are that they have a huge aerobic enviroment. this causes it be able to process large amounts of nitrites. this is great for a fish only becuase nitrites are extremely poisonous to fish. and fish can handle a relativley large amount of nitrates.
the problem comes in when are dealing with a reef tanks, as invertebrates can not handle nitrates.

so in a reef tank with a wet/dry, canister, or bio-wheel type filter, you have excess nitrates. so all that said, here is the isssue.
your tank has to be able to proccess those excess nitrates.

nitrates are a bi harder to proccess, they are proccessed by a bacteria that lives in a anaerobic enviroment (low oxygen). this is whats found "inside" your LR and DSB. so if you haev alot of LR, a good mature DSB and lots of curent in your tank, you "might" be able to handle these excess nitrates. however usually you you cant. so what happens...
what usually happens is may have excess algae, or cynobacteria growing in your tank. you may see areas on the rocks, or powerheads where there is hair algae growing, or you may find that you have to clean off your glass more than a couple times a week. basically what im getting at is that you may have nuisance stuff growing that will consume these excess nitrates. adn becuase of this your test kits may still read low or no nitrates, but this doesnt mean you dont have a problem.

so basically, if you have no algae issues, no cyno issues, very healthy corals, experience no loss of livestock, and are experienceing good coral growth with a wet/dry, should you remove it... probably not.. sometimes peopel can do this, but it may require regular weekly water changes, even in a large tank, to keep the system healthy

but.. if anything i have mentioned rings home, then you might want to look at replacing it.

i hope this help.. and if you hvae more questions, or need furhter clarification on anything i said, just let me know

here are some other resources on the issue
http://www.aquariumhobbyist.com/arti...kVsWetDry.html
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/wetdryfaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bioballfaqs.htm
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