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Old 04-26-2008, 12:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Aaarrrrrrrggghhhh!!! OK, since being introduced to computers in about 1980, I've run out of patience with my 8th, 9th, or 10th PC clone. I've truely lost count of how many "new" models/brands I've bought over the last 28 years. It well could be more than 10 but, that's not what matters today.

A couple of days ago my current PC, a Sony VAIO (not that brand or model makes any difference), a nasty virus invadid the machine. Norton didn't have a clue, did nothing about it, because it couldn't detect it. Talking to a computer geek friend, he suggested down loading a "free" virus detector and seeing if that would find anything. Did that with the exception, it wasn't "free". It searched my machine from their site, found 1,956 "detections" but when I clicked "clean" it wanted me to pay $39.95 for the download. Being totally frustrated and not able to do normal things on my computer without waiting 5 to 10 minutes for "things" to clear, I bought. I ran the program and isolated the buggers. Still no fix! Better, but the offender was still present. It's trait was to change my opening "home" page to their website which, "ironicaly" was selling spam, virus and personal protection software. You had to buy their program so that, I guess, they could "clean" your computer of THEIR virus crap!!!

After using the new program for several days, and getting various new "detections" every time, NORTON woke up and found the bast@#* virus. I think it was called a Trojan something or other. When Norten displayed the find I quickly had them destroy it. That's why I can't remember the exact name.

Now my computer is better but still running at a snails pace. It's three years old (yes, ancient, i know), running at 2.8ghz, 1 gb of Ram and 100 gb hard drive so, it shouldn't be slow.

OK, what would you MAC lovers say to me but, more important is telling me WHY. Don't give me one word answers like, BUY A MAC!

I want to know why. I'm seriously considering a purchase.

Reefbaby, I know you will have a lot to say and I look forward to speaking to you about this. I know there are others so, have at it.

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Old 04-26-2008, 01:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've had a MAC for around 5 years. Since I'm not a computer type, and see my computer more of a household appliance rather than a toy or hobby, I wanted a MAC because, basically you turn it on AND IT WORKS!. There is no, or at least very little tinkering that I have to do. Everything is very integrated and programs tend to work well together. It was a hard decision to switch, but I'm so glad that I did. As far as techinical computer geeky reasons to switch, I'll leave that to someone else...

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I understand your frustration, I pretty geeky and I spend several hours a week keeping my PC clean and safe. I am now VERY reluctantly setting up an email PC for the office and I've seriously considered a Mac for that.

If you decide to stay with a PC, I can suggest ways to help keep it clean. (I do know a lot about that subject. ) I'm not a Mac expert and I do know that they can be infected as well, it's just a lot less common so the odds are in your favor.
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Dick, if you decide to stay with a PC, i highly recommend the free anti virus dowlaod for avast! antivirus.

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Apple - Get a Mac

Changing from a PC (pice of crap) to a MAC was the best thing I ever did.
they just work seamlessly with almost everything.

MAC: plug it in. turn it on and its there. and it works

PC: Install 1 hr. setup 1 hr. frustration 6 hr. wait for a Vista patch 3 months...............
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I have used both systems for years, nearly any type of program that you can run on windows you can you can find and equivalent for on Mac. The nice thing about todays intel based mac's is that you can "dual boot" both windows and Mac OS on the same machine so if there is that one windows program that you just have to have you can use it when need be but still have the security and piece of mind running mac os for day to day uses. With out knowing exactly what you intend to use it for its hard to give specific recommendations on which mac I would recommend however generally speaking for just general computing the imac is a good choice for the user not looking for lots of horsepower on the desktop side, and the mac book on the notebook side, stay away from the macbook air IMO its just a status symbol and not suited to be a primary machine. If you are looking for a little more power or want to get into graphics, audio, or video editing the mac book pro's and mac pro desktops are what I would recommend you look at. All of this is just my opinion and I'm sure I left something out that someone else will fill in for me.


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Dick, I've never used a Mac so I can't help you there. But, I second Bobby's recommendation of Avast. There Home Edition is totally free and is a great product. My Avast caught a malware bug in a thread before anyone else's program got it.
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and mine caught it shortly after hers and i deleted the post that it was in and viola ... no more malware on the site.
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I have 2 Windows machines and 2 Intel Macs at home. While I will be the first to admit that they BOTH have their pluses and minuses, I prefer my 20' Imac the best. Not only is the screen nice and big, but it takes virtually no desk space because its an all-in-one. I recently put Parallels and Windows XP on it so I can run Mac and Windows programs simultaneously...its really cool. I feel like this gives me the best of both worlds.
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Aaarrrrrrrggghhhh!!! Now my computer is better but still running at a snails pace. It's three years old (yes, ancient, i know), running at 2.8ghz, 1 gb of Ram and 100 gb hard drive so, it shouldn't be slow.
As the System Admin motto goes: "The safest computer is the one that is shut off".

The Windows XP Pro workstations I have deployed at work have always been disconnected from the internet, only run our "Primary" applications (instead of being clogged with ancillary programs and personal files), run only required services, and only receive updates when necessary. With this effort, Windows has been very stable and virus free. I have very little to complain about in this regard...but I understand that this is not how you intend to run your personal computer.

We too have used Bootcamp to run Windows XP Pro on 5 iMacs and 4 Mac Pro's with very good success. I have only run into a problem using Wacom graphics tablets on Mac Pro towers running XP, but there could be other driver-run hardware devices that may also present a problem. YMMV.

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OK, what would you MAC lovers say to me but, more important is telling me WHY. Don't give me one word answers like, BUY A MAC!
The problem that I have with Macs for professional use is how every user wishes to personalize their computer with their own music, photos, desktop images, and other mods. JUST GET TO WORK! This doesn't happen with our Windows XP boxes, which I think is a testament to the user-friendly Mac experience.

IMHO, the core behind the Mac experience for personal use is the seamless integration of the numerous Apple-branded applications, including Safari, Mail, iCal, iChat, Address Book, iPhoto, iTunes, iWeb, iMovie, iDVD - all included with a Mac purchase. These are "smart" apps that are to some extent interconnected, knowing how to find, import, sync data from one app to another, from an app to a iPod/iPhone, or from a digital camera to the Mac with hardly any effort. Devices are usually automagically recognized and the appropriate iLife app boots (if desired) to interface with the device. I do not have to install questionable drivers or 3rd party applications just to use my electronic devices.

Drag-and drop support on the Mac tends to be far more extensive and fluid than Windows, which makes the user experience more fluid.

The Apple branded templates (called "themes") in some of the iApps (like iDVD and iWeb) are a bit much for my taste, but Apple has gotten better at letting the user save out themes of their own. I tend to strip away all the toy-like eye-candy that I can to get to something clean and basic. Then I save out my theme or create a project file as a template.

The core behind Mac OS X is UNIX, which is a love of mine. The average user doesn't even know it, but underneath Apple's Finder and the Aqua interface is a robust, modern operating system as reliable as Linux. For power users, scripting, programming with Xcode and compiling open source software is all free, which is really cool.

Apart from USB - Firewire, Wireless, Bluetooth, and CD&DVD burning are all standard on most consumer models. There are no devices, cards, adapters, or drivers to install. Since all of these are included, you know the reliability is (most likely) less buggy.

Lastly, and not of least importance, is the product engineering behind the Macintosh. Apple takes a very smart, modular approach (where possible), and chooses expensive materials by which to produce their computers, and every generation gets even better. Macs are more expensive, but you are really getting a better built machine. When I open an Xserve, iMac, or Mac Pro, or even just install memory in a Mac Book, I am always noticing small, but really smart aspects of the design that make repairs and installations a breeze, and a level of finish inside that is superior to any PC I have worked with. I have sliced my fingers installing memory in a few PC computers in my day, so I really have to hand it to Apple in this regard. Apple could shave off a couple hundred dollars on their computers if they cheaped-out with materials or integrity; Fortunately for us who love the platform - they don't...and it shows on both the inside and outside.

The typical arguments I get from PC users is about cost and software availability. These are two real issues, but you have to calculate the risks of ubiquity (in the form of viruses and malware), and add to that the genuinely better Mac user experience and engineering. I would second the notion that "what you can do on a PC, you can also do on a Mac - sometimes better, or with more ease."; feel free to PM me your list of software concerns and I may be able to offer some solutions.

The Mac is not perfect. Like many computers, we sometime experience slow downs having to do with low memory, processor overload, memory leaks or hardware defects. These things sometimes happen. Add to that iDVD's somewhat finicky taste in recordable media compatibility, Safari's lack of support for Microsoft's Web extensions, Mac laptops not waking up from sleep in a timely manner when jolted before sleep engages, and a few others. A relatively short list to be sure.

If you plunge, feel free to post or PM with any questions about any Mac models or purchasing options.

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I've had a MAC for around 5 years. Since I'm not a computer type, and see my computer more of a household appliance rather than a toy or hobby, I wanted a MAC because, basically you turn it on AND IT WORKS!. There is no, or at least very little tinkering that I have to do. Everything is very integrated and programs tend to work well together. It was a hard decision to switch, but I'm so glad that I did. As far as techinical computer geeky reasons to switch, I'll leave that to someone else... Good luck
Thank you Psychojam. I've heard that from several Mac users over the years. That is definitely a plus.

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I understand your frustration, I pretty geeky and I spend several hours a week keeping my PC clean and safe. I am now VERY reluctantly setting up an email PC for the office and I've seriously considered a Mac for that.

If you decide to stay with a PC, I can suggest ways to help keep it clean. (I do know a lot about that subject. ) I'm not a Mac expert and I do know that they can be infected as well, it's just a lot less common so the odds are in your favor.
Thanks for your input Sue. I've also heard macs are less vulnerable to viruses. Today a Mac store owner explained why. PC programing is based on DOS and Macs are based on Unix apparently much harder to hack. Can't say I understood but, it seemed logical.

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Dick, if you decide to stay with a PC, i highly recommend the free anti virus dowlaod for avast! antivirus.
Thanks Bobby. I downloaded it and now running three virus detecting software. It's interesting to note, I can run one which finds things, run the second and it finds a few more, then run the third and it will find a couple more. That indicates to me how difficult it is to keep virus detecting software up to date.

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Changing from a PC (pice of crap) to a MAC was the best thing I ever did.
they just work seamlessly with almost everything.

MAC: plug it in. turn it on and its there. and it works

PC: Install 1 hr. setup 1 hr. frustration 6 hr. wait for a Vista patch 3 months...............
Thanks Steve. Never heard that one before (PC = piece of crap) but, beginning to believe it.

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I have used both systems for years, nearly any type of program that you can run on windows you can you can find and equivalent for on Mac. The nice thing about todays intel based mac's is that you can "dual boot" both windows and Mac OS on the same machine so if there is that one windows program that you just have to have you can use it when need be but still have the security and piece of mind running mac os for day to day uses...

If you are looking for a little more power or want to get into graphics, audio, or video editing the mac book pro's and mac pro desktops are what I would recommend you look at.

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My primary purpose is to build and service my e-tail website. My wife and I also take 1000s of photos that we keep on our PC. I've now heard here and from others that I can probably run my web program, MS Frontpage 2003. I also believe MAC has a web building program. May switch to that. I'm leaning toward a MAC Pro but will look at the MAC Book Pro as I like portability as well. Thanks for your insight.

Thanks Carmie and Bobbie for your recommendation on Avast spyware. Got it. Use it daily, now.

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