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Old 07-25-2006, 06:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Attaching Frags

What is the best way to attach frags to rock and with what ?
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Old 07-25-2006, 07:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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well i attach sps and lps's with super glue gel and softies usually with rubberbands or pins.
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zip ties work for me on soft stuff, otherwise super glue gel for SPS

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Old 07-25-2006, 11:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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does any one use epoxy, what kind?
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i use super glue gel. it works really well for me except for in my experience i have had to let the peace heal where i cut it so i could glue it. everything i tried it soon after i fragged something the glue wouldnt stick because of a mucus that was coming out of the cut. but super glue gel works really well for me. the brand i use is duro quick gel.
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does any one use epoxy, what kind?
frags are usually mounted on a piece rubble or peg with the super glue gel.......the product is later mounted on a greater piece of rock in the aquarium, sometime being held in place with putty that is the result of the 2 part epoxy. the most common 2-part epoxy found in lfs is SEATEST"s HOLD-FAST.
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Old 07-26-2006, 01:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Epoxy can be used, but its best not used directly on coral tissue, as it has been known to cause TRN and or bleaching, where super glue is fine
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Old 07-26-2006, 06:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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how long should i let the glue cure before putting the frag back in my tank?
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if you use super glue gel. within maybe 20 seconds. or less. i usually wait that long at the most. it dries pretty quick..
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Just be careful to not touch the glue while holding the frag mount. I got my finger caught!
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water will activate the glue's outer surface. the superglue gel with begin harden once it touches water. coral farmers will drizzle water onto the glue once they are satisfied the the frag is in the proper spot.
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water will activate the glue's outer surface. the superglue gel with begin harden once it touches water. coral farmers will drizzle water onto the glue once they are satisfied the the frag is in the proper spot.
that is exactly what i do,
set the frag, hold it there for about 10 seconds, use a dropper and get it wet, then place it in my holding container for transport back to the frag tank...

i need to get a video on this soon..
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i got some zoos, (just 3) on a little piece of rock the size of my finger nail, and i just set it on top of another rock, with no glue. ive yet to see if it will stick or not.
as for my mushrooms, you guys will probably think im crazy.i bought 3, (1 big one and 2 little ones). and they came on this big ugly plug, that i didnt want in my tank. So i scraped them off with my knife, and set them in among the rocks at the bottom. the next day, the big one had moved down about an inch or two, and kind of wedged itself into a little crack. the little one disapeared when i droped it, and i havnt seen it since. i dont know what happened to the other little one. But the big one seems to have attached itself and is doing great, and theres even another little guy sprouting up next to him. however, i dont know effective this is with other stuff, maybe i just fluked out. they were my first frags, and i didnt really know what to do with them, so i just tryed it and it worked.
I have heard of using super glue, but i was concerned it wouldnt stick to a wet rock. Or what can you do if you cant remove the rock from the tank?
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that is exactly what i do,
set the frag, hold it there for about 10 seconds, use a dropper and get it wet, then place it in my holding container for transport back to the frag tank...

i need to get a video on this soon..
this is exactly what i do also !! on something like a mushrooms and zoanthids you can try to get a small piece of the rock and glue the rock to the rubble of frag plug.

Rob, i have the videos on my camera ...BUT for some reason my camera wont transfer to my computer. i have someone coming over to help me figure it out, and will get a couple of the videos to you as soon as we get this camera issue resolved.
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Well my best experience is with softies. There are 6 methods that I use:

1. My favorite for placement on a display is the sewing method. Take a sewing needle and fishing string and poke the needle through the coral allowing plenty of room for attachment and tie it to a piece of rock, but be careful if you tie it too tight you’ll cut through it. When the coral has attached just cut the fishing string and pull it out through the hole it came in.
2. Hang on container method use one of the hang on container that you use to transport fish in. Drill A LOT of #2 (about the size of air line) holes in it on all 4 sides leaving the bottom intact. Now put a couple of pieces of rubble in it and drop you frags in they will find a place to attach in about 3-4 days once they have settled where they will most likely attach place the container in an area where it will get some good flow and wait in about 2-3 weeks they will be ready. Good for xenia, colt and mushrooms. Remember the xenia will attach anywhere it feels like and could attach to the side of the container so watch it the first couple of hours. This is good if you only have a few frags.
3. The rubber band method take 2 pieces of rubble and wrap 1 or 2 rubber bands around them then place the softie between the rubble in the “pinch point” and drop it in the tank. They will attach between the rubble pieces. This method is good if you are growing up the coral because the coral has to be well attached to support both pieces of rubble. This is really good for xenia, tree coral, and devils hand. Though I prefer the first two.
4. I also have a rubble bottom frag tank it’s just a 10 gal. Fed from my main system with a PC on top. In my opinion this is the best method very low stress. Just drop the frag in and wait. In about a week or three it’s attached to a piece of rubble read to be put in a display or sold. This method work best for mushrooms and colt coral, be sure to use a sponge on the intake of any power head and to the bulkhead, while the frag is floating around before it settles down it WILL find a way to get eaten by any impellers you have.
5. the toothpick method (thanks rob) same concept as the sewing method except use a plastic toothpick and lance the coral then using a rubber band wrap the rubber band around the rock and attaching at the front and back of the toothpick to hold it in place.
6. Heading them off at the pass. This is the easiest method for encrusting coral (star polyps, and zoanthids) just place some pieces of rubble around it and the coral will eventually cover them, when it has remove the rubble and place new ones in it’s place. I use this for controlling my