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Old 10-29-2006, 08:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hole in the head?????

i think one of my new true percs may have hole in the head. I see a few small holes right around where the temple is ( i guess you would call it the temple). The strange thing is that i have noticed to same think in other clownfish at different stores. Its too small to get a gooc pic, any auggestions as to what it may be and what i should do?

also, i have omnivarous and carnivarous food, i feed one small cube every other day swithing up the kind of food at every feeding. Am i feeding too much? the 2 percs are the only thinks i have in there right now plus the cleanup crew and a pulsating xenia. The clowns ate a very small bit and then frantically staring darting at pieces of food and then hestiating, and swimming away. Sometimes they even swallowed some and spit it out after that. Anything wrong with this?

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Old 10-29-2006, 09:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hole in the head is most common with tangs, angels, and large groupers. A picture will be helpful
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Im sorry but my POS camera cannot distinguish the difference between the white of the stripes and the holes. They are very small holes in a distinct pattern around the top of the front head stripe. Imagine a set of pimples or something making a U shape across a person's forehead. The only difference is it's not acne, its holes, and with a clownfish.
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Old 10-29-2006, 11:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Regarding the feeding issue, if you are feding one cube (like about 1/2' x 1/2 inch) every other day it may be too much for what you described in your tank. Remember, less is better, they will not starve. The xenia don't need it that often if at all, and the cleanup crew will do a better cleanup if they have to scavenge a bit. I would probably go with 1/2 a cuve every other day.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:20 AM   #5 (permalink)
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like these, only S/W counter-parts

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Old 10-30-2006, 04:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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like these, only S/W counter-parts


Yes! exactly that!
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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ok....now that we know what it is.... (im guessing thats hole in the head), how do i fix it?
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Old 10-30-2006, 08:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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hello? anybody? Sorry if i sound a little pushy but im worried about my $30 fish lol. I'd cry for days if it died, and so would my wallet.
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HLLE (hole & lateral line errosion) is generally brought about by poor diet, poor water quality, or agressive behavours leading to stress, conductivity issues, parasitic invasions, or all of the above! now its up to you to fill in the blanks so the process of elimination to begin!

what setting do you have? reef, fish only, mixed?
second question, do u have a QT set-up?
third thing is any of the above have to be identified & corrected asap.
forth is treatment, simple treatments are the likes of melafix, where its gets tricky is with the copper based medication, cause if you have corals they will be destroyed>hense the QT question.

see how u go with that, & post up a few responses, others will chime in soon
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:53 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yep, i aree, HLLE, not real common in clowns, but can also be cause by stray electrical voltage, i would look at a grounding probe if you dont already have one. they are great investment and quite cheap

here is some more info
http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/hlleorlledisease/
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs3.htm
http://www.ecosystemaquarium.com/html/hlle.html
http://www.marineaquariumadvice.com/...erosion_2.html
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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well i just got it and i didnt really see it on him (i did what i thought was a thorough inpesction before purchasing) until he was floating in his bag in my aquarium. They said they just got them in so my guess is being in a mass-breeding type of facility did it to him. Yes i have a reef setup but my only coral is a xenia. Can i just use melafix? I have some on hand actually. No, i dont have QT (yes i know...my bad...workin on it) So can i treat the reef tank with melafix? Its just the two clowns and both of them show signs of the same thing.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Melafix is reefsafe. The xenia will not like the melafix, but should be able to survive it. Do look into grounding the tank. I would also suggest using a vitamin-c and mineral food supplement. Vitamin C deficiency is a leading cause of Hole-in-head.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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for future purchases i would hold off or change LFS untill they put their stock though quarentine procedures, that is if i read that right!
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I add a amino acid/vitiman supplement to my tank once a week which has vitamin C in it. So ill start the melafix tonight, thanks everyone! I just went to that fish store because i happen to be in the area and my main LFS was out of percs. they just happen to have the only pair in town.

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just to add a bit on the feeding side, I use mostly frozen foods and those little cubes.... I chop each cube into 4 peices and feed HALF of a piece at a time twice a day. That is enough for my saddle back clown, 2 shrimp, starfish, emerald crab, and clean up crew. Smaller feedings more often are the best way to go in my experience.
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Old 11-03-2006, 07:49 AM   #16 (permalink)
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opps spotted a mistake! i post (HLLE) as hole, it should in fact be head. Same sh#t different smell!

Hows it all looking adam?
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Old 11-03-2006, 10:03 PM   #17 (permalink)
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not much change, tomorrow morning will be my.....4th or 5th treatment and i dont see much change as of yet. I have been soaking the frozen foods in a reef vitiman supplement to give it some extra boost. Maybe its because i had my purigen and phos-guard still in the sump and it it soaking up all of the meds before it has time to take any effect, so i took those out for a while. The purigen needed to be reactivated anyways, gonna soak in bleach overnight.

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Old 11-03-2006, 10:09 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I've seen holes take months to completely seal over, irrations long after the fact. Its definately not going to happen over night! Was just checking to see if there are any adverse reactions to any of your treatments and to see if any parameters still needed adusting.

I'm sure your got a handle on things, good luck anyways!
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