View Full Version : Stupid Question... Which one do I trust?


JeffDubya
09-19-2007, 12:38 AM
So as the new prop tank project takes shape, a couple new pieces of equipment will make their way into my fish room. The first, today, an American Marine Pinpoint pH Monitor (http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~SearchStr~american%20marine~action~vie w~idProduct~AM1111~idCategory~FITEMOID~category~Am erican_Marine_Pinpoint_pH_Monitor_Saltwater_Aquari um_Supplies_Testing_Equipment_Monitor_Equipment_Si ngle_Item_Monitors___Controllers~vendor~.html)

So... Aquarium Pharmecuticals shows my water to be consistently 8.4 pH.

This new gizmo says no... 8.02.

Which do I believe?

And if the answer is what I think, then why in the hell are we paying money for a product that is *so* wrong? And we wonder why we get spikes. If I am dosing based on that information, it's bound to happen sooner or later.

veriann
09-19-2007, 04:30 AM
reagents can become suceptable to the whole range of environmental conditions that can effect effectivness. age for one is a killer.
probes on the other hand , your a) relying on a factory setting, & b) relying on your own calibration method.

same time, same depth, i think not, however you should be able to find the factory variance of the prob, keep your reagents comfortable & find the happy medium between the 2 ..lol

regardless of which way you look at it, its only a guide. The swing isn't that much concidering the changes that occur natrally.

CarmieJo
09-19-2007, 07:50 AM
Have you calibrated your monitor with solutions of known pH?

JeffDubya
09-19-2007, 11:56 AM
Have you calibrated your monitor with solutions of known pH?

Yup, bought the calibration kit and dialed it in before I used it. Should be accurate to within .01 pH

Phurst
09-19-2007, 12:32 PM
I think I would trust the probe as well. There are so many variables in hobbyist grade test kits, there's bound to be some variability.

JeffDubya
09-19-2007, 02:58 PM
Does anyone else here own this brand of meter?

CarmieJo
09-19-2007, 06:58 PM
I don't have one but if your calibration solutions were reading correctly go with the meter. Just for kicks I'd probably use my kit on the calibration solution. Also, for a hobbyist grade kit being off by 5% isn't outrageous.

JeffDubya
09-19-2007, 07:02 PM
Sorry... asking for a different reason... wondering how durable these are, could I use it between a couple tanks, or should I really mount and keep it in one...

CarmieJo
09-19-2007, 11:51 PM
The lab grade ones are pretty durable. The probe has to stay wet.

JeffDubya
09-20-2007, 12:40 AM
So just carry it upstairs in a glass of RO/DI water? Would that work?

CarmieJo
09-20-2007, 01:09 AM
I think that would be fine.

Stargazer
11-08-2007, 02:40 PM
I'd use tap or tank water. I do not know about PinPoint, but my Hanna instructions say not to put the probe in distilled or DI water.

Reefbaby
11-09-2007, 02:30 PM
usually pH probes should be kept in a buffer solution, not in water

veriann
11-10-2007, 02:56 AM
yeah, RB is correct. Probes are calibrated with step buffers & in between testing clean with water , RO/DI is ok for cleaning, however never to store it with this water, cuts the probe life. Also never wipe the end completely dry & store moist with 4M KCL inner solution or a ph4.0 buffer solution or gel.

Reefbaby
11-10-2007, 05:11 AM
actually you should never even really touch the end of the probe...it's very fragile and sensitive.

veriann
11-10-2007, 05:29 AM
were not all heavy handed lab ants such as yourself RB:rotfl:

Reefbaby
11-10-2007, 07:57 AM
I guess "ant" does sound better than "rat"! Thanx!! :D