Hi People... I need help setting up my New Tank ... I will be getting it on the 19th of this month ... I need step by step directions as all the books I have do NOT say the same thing... So any help would be grate... some tricks to get the 2 or 3-week cycle cut in 1/2??? And what are the easiest Live stock to get started with...:up:



Semper Fi !

sounds like its time to backup a bit..
setting up the tank, ok, the podcast shows found on this site will give you a wealth of information, there is no "one way" to setup the tank, it depends on the type of tank, the size, what your going to keep in it, etc. learn what you can then you have to build your plan to suite your needs.. again, the hours of audio and video shows foudn here will guide you through each part of this.

as far as cutting the cycle, well the cycle is a natural process that must occur and needs to happen at its own pace. one of the most important things in this hobby is patience, you need to take your time and let your tank happen as it can, now as you want or when you want it... any attempts to force stuff to go faster almost always results in failure.

heres my suggestion for you...
download iTunes from here
Apple - iPod + iTunes (http://www.apple.com/itunes)

once installed go to the podcast directory and subscribe to the Talkingreef Podcast
download the shows and start listening and taking notes. this will take a while but will help you a great deal. as you go through this, come here and ask any questions on stuff you need clarification on, we will be here to help you in any way we can.

im sorry, i know a step by step is what you want, but you really need to build that, and we will help

i think rob did a great job of guiding you. here are my two cents.. be patient, plan ahead of what you wanna have in your tank eventually, and do A LOT of research... dont follow my footstep and buy impulsively =]

I have Book's upon Books and all of them Differ from each other ... One will say to do something then the other will say not to do it.... and the books are on the same thing just by different people... that’s why it's bugging me ... As for a plan, I have one ... Well To start It's 14GL Nano Cube with all the trimmings. Live send, live rock, want to have crostations and a small reef. Maybe 2 small fish and that’s it. I have a 100GL tank But it's fresh H2O and I have Discus in them So im not touching that lol ... I will go and do the podcast...

But I hear that some people are using (Gold Fish) ??? to get the cycle going ... Is that true?

Some LFS, people & books recommend using hardy fish like damsels but it is cruel to put them into a toxic environment. I don't think that goldfish would live at all in a SW tank. What you can do to jump start the cycle is add a raw cocktail shrimp to your tank and leave it in there for a couple of days. (Perhaps the goldfish idea came from this as a dead fish would work the same way.) As the shrimp decomposes it adds NH4 to your tank and this is the beginning of the cycle.

Sgt_USMC, yes you are right...
getting information can be hard, if you want, bring the questions here, create a thread for it and you can get all of our thoughts and experiences on the issue then you can make a call.. :)

Trust me on this one brother, the 3 Ps have a 4th... and that is Patience. Trying to jumpstart the biological processes in a reef tank are just gonna speed up the downward spiraling balance in your checking account.

However, to hasten things along ever so slightly, you can use live sand and add live rock at the same time. DON'T add any critters for a good 6 to 8 (some argue 12) weeks atleast until you have some sort of evidence your cycle has ended. The live sand and live rock will bring along some beneficial organisms that will help the process along and will keep you from condeming an innocent damsel or two to death due to toxic water parameters.

As for the contradictory methods you read about, just post a few of the questions and we'll all try to do our darndest to give you the straight dope and get you back on target. With the number of seasoned reefers on the site, I'm sure there aren't too many processes we haven't tried, failed at, or succeeded with...

Semper Fi, brother!

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As for the contradictory methods you read about, just post a few of the questions and we'll all try to do our darndest to give you the straight dope and get you back on target. With the number of seasoned reefers on the site, I'm sure there aren't too many processes we haven't tried, failed at, or succeeded with...

Semper Fi, brother!


One book talks about using live ocean H20 (live H20) that is already cycled and just start out with that and then all you need to do is just add fish and all ... But it's not cheap as 4G of live H20 is $20....

But some people say not to do that ... what would you say ...:eek: :unsure: :wall: :help: :confused: :anyone:

You mean they are saying all you need to do was add NSW to start the cycle? If so, that's not going to cut it. If I start up a new tank I do use rock and some water and the sand from an existing system (except my seahorse tanks) and then throw in an ammonia source.

there is a whole podcast on using NSW, there are times when its ok, and times when its not.

if you have to buy it its usually not cost effective, and making your own is cheaper

listen to the show on NSW and you will get all the pro's and con's and when you should and shouldn't do it

What I meant is that a Book is telling me is that I can just Get NSW and that’s it, I will not need to cycle the tank or if It dose it will be only a day or two ... I do not get that... How can it cycle in that short amount of time ... the other thing I was told in a pet store (That only has salt-water fish): if I fill the tank with NSW and add Live rock and Live sand I do not deed to cycle the tank and I can add fish or other stuff in 2 or 3 days...

So is any one tired of my questions ?:wall:

lol.. no we are not tired, we love them..

let me start by saying i disagree with that recommendation, and would not recommend following it.

start with your SW and LR, let the tank cycle, after 4-6 weeks of monitoring you should be confident you are in the clear, then proceed.. :)

let me start by saying i disagree with that recommendation, and would not recommend following it.

Agreed... and with that recommendation I would question any "advice" that source has to offer.

Thank you .... so why do they say I can use NSW and add fish ?

Well the Book tells me the same thing

Thank you .... so why do they say I can use NSW and add fish ?

I can think of a bunch of reasons... all of which would be impolite to list here. Let's just stick with "They have no idea what they are talking about." It's a case of "don't believe everything you read".

What book are we talking about here?

I will have to look when I get home... Im at work ...

Mollies
Some people like to break in a tank with mollies which have been acclimated to salt water. This gives you the benefit of starting with inexpensive fish and get used to maintaining salinity and pH on not-so-sensitive fish. Although safer, you don't achieve much marine experience this way. Mollies are captive raised and bred.
If you buy mollies for your saltwater tank, you can acclimate them by dripping saltwater into the bag over a period of 6-8 hours, removing some water when the bag gets too full. Slowly increasing the salinity gives the mollies time to get used to their new environment. You can keep the mollies in the tank after it cycles, but any aggressive fish with continually harass the passive mollies.

Beginner Saltwater FAQ: Fish (http://fins.actwin.com/mirror/sbegin-fish.html) that is where I got that .....

again, using a fish to cycle your tank is cruel and unnecessary
you can add ammonia to it, use uncured LR, or drop a piece of raw cocktail shrimp in there for 2-4 days, all are cheap and dont involve torturing a fish.

of course the method you quote "can" be used, but i dont think you will find anyone here that will recommend or support it

then why do they say to Use this .........????? is it because of the $$$$$$$$$$

Ohhhh you mean add fish to CYCLE the tank. I thought you were saying after you added NSW you could add fish... as in your prized Emperor Angel if ya wanted.

Still a bad idea like Rob said.

Don't forget to give us the name of the book when you get home :-)

well you "can" do it, yes... you "can" cycle a tank with a live fish.
here are the problems with that.

1.) its is very cruel to the fish, most people have the mentality of "its a $2 damsel, who cares if it dies, i can get another on. IMO, that $2 fish is a life, and its irresponsible to deliberately put something alive through such bad living conditions, conditions that could easily kill it. again, you "can" and it is cheap.. but in my opinion, its wrong.. thats all im saying

2.) many people start there tanks in this manner using cheap fish like damsel that they are then stuck with (if they live). damsels are sold as "great starter fish" but people are rarely told of how destructive they "can" be.. (not always, but its likely)
they are known to be very aggressive, and to dig big holes under your rocks (which can lead to rock slides/collapses)

just to be super clear here.
your book says you can do it. your book is right, you "can" do it.
i say, even though you can, dont, its not right, its cruel.

so this is just my opinion on the situation.. :)

You can acclimate mollies to SW as they are brackish in nature. I've not done so but I have never heard of any reason why you would not want to. But IMO it would still be cruel to the fish to put them in an uncycled tank and would not make your tank cycle any faster.

black mollies are man made hybrids, conversion back & forth can occur without incident. make for great algae eater also. Ethical stand points for early introduction are open for debate cause it depends on how humain people are. & although damsals are cheaper, they prove to be more trouble that their worth.

the general cycle is easy to speed up ( not that i really preach this approach ) a nice chunky all-be-it cleanish piece of LR & a bottle of cycle can improve stability quicker, although as ive mentioned the whole time, any monkey in a suit can use a quick fix, doesn't mean you possess any knowedge to stop your tank from crashing tommorow.
Learning the "why" is the path to reefhood. Even the seasoned among us can fall from time to time, because we have through time & complacent attitudes forgotten the "why"

Has anyone heard or tried adding a piece of shrimp from the local grocery store or a very small piece of fish, I have not but this is a recomended way to speed cycle the tank from some of the guy's at aquamains in gso

If I use nasty stinky LR I don't use anything else.... If it is fresh smelling LR that is already cycled I throw some shrimp in there just to make sure. I have since found a place to buy pure ammonia and will be using that in the future.

how stinky are we talking here??????
& more to the point, where do you dredge your rocks from to have them lovely & rotton. i dont like to see edditions to slimy, populations are replicated with the availible food source, having to much gangy material to process can indeed make for longer cooking times. & the populations will starve till another consistance source presents itself.. i love how theres different strokes for different folks:love!:

Stinky as in it smells when you hold it to your nose.... not stinky as in it smells of the whole room. I get it from the LFS and buy it about day 3 after arrival when all the goop has gone into their system.

But I should add I started using pure ammonia instead.

Hey All the Nano Cube 14 arrived... It looks good ... Good Light Set up... But I am having a problem the salt can’t get it to 2.02 at 75F... any ideas?

the salt should be at a SG of 1.026 or 35ppt

I ment 1.023 ,I got it i Hope it works.... and it will stay that way ...

so you are able to get it to 1.023 or you cant get it higher than 1.023

I got it to 1.026 at 82F

I got it to 1.026 at 82F
perfect.. :)

So whats the next step other then looking after the PH, ammonia, and so on...

Has anyone heard or tried adding a piece of shrimp from the local grocery store or a very small piece of fish, I have not but this is a recomended way to speed cycle the tank from some of the guy's at aquamains in gso

Yep, this works to help give you an initial blast of NH4 which serves to jump start your cycle

So whats the next step other then looking after the PH, ammonia, and so on...

dude, i still got to ask~~~~ whats the rush? exciting times this is, & although youv'e chosen the path of least resistance on the wallet, its by no means easier caring for a nano, infact it can be a site more harder, cause you've really got to be on the ball. water parameters can swing very quickly in a nano.
I would suggest you pace yourself with a 3month goal....right now your saying BS, no way!!! but to be totally honest, its the only way your going to get something stable enough to survive long term.

So lets get a running diary happening here, grab a blank book & start jotting down some notes. eg.

Purchased tank: 19.01.07.
Dimensions:
Gal/Lts:
Equiptment List :
Component clean with 1:5 parts (1@5parts) vinagar water. Wiped Light shield.
1st SW batch to 1.026 @82F (1.026=20gal X__cups of S/Mix.)

you get the idea! Makes referencing easy, & at any given stage you can basicly give a running detail of your notes to anyone that knows what they are doing in this hobby & they will be able to advise correctly.

OK, so, you've added your liquids@ your desired temp range.
Now come the cooking part. Bacterially speaking, the tank is deviod. From the conversations below i think you grasp this idea by now, so how are you going to procced given your options.

Once youve decided how your going to kick start the cycle, even though its temping ,honestly, i suggest you dont try speeding up the process if you have the will power. ( i mean come on, im looking at a blank tank here dude!) we all experience this thought, & its hard to transfer experience into the mind of the green. I'd suggest you use this cooking time to probe for info in 4 ways,
1) use reference from reliable sources such as randy holmes farley.
2) Probe the mind of someone you see caring for a beautifully presented tank.
3) Use "nano tanks" as the meta tag in the search engines & see what others are doing as much as you can.
4) Ask target questions in the forum & forget about being spoon feed all the way, cause in the end you have to become the master winthin your own right.

I hope this helps alittle. We will always be here to answer your questions & more to the point, guide you towards the more knowledgable & top notch literature on the subject.
In any interactions with peoples opinions take any given advice as a whole, if the majority belive in the principles, usually its sound enough to use yourself.

My biggest advice to you and anyone, is to learn the "why" behind any given topic.
Like now, your biggest issue is going to be bactera. Learning the who, what, when, where, will give you insight, learning the why will allow you to trully understand it!

great write up Veriann, stated perfectly... :)

but you forgot one thing...
Sgt_USMC, make sure you come back to TR for help with anything you need, and make sure you leverage the podcast shows as they are full of the "why's" that veriann speaks of

Will Do and thank you... I will be bringing my Water to the LFS to test...
And I will start a note book for my tank. And thank you for the help.

yes of course rob, i forgot to be patriotic. sorry bud!
Robs got the best info source on the net, well hell! its got to be good, or else we all wouldn't call "here" home!

Sargent, id also suggest you watch the LFS when they test, No cowboy testing with a quick rinse with the testing vials. If your not in a possition to test yourself, take a dilluted jar of vinagar water with your testing sample, & ask them to shake the vials with it. Testing shouldn't cost you anything, but you dont want your test to be tainted with the last residue.
oh ~ And heres your locker key for TR! :tongue2:

water salt content jump, it went from 1.026 to 1.032 but My meter did not show it .. I found that out by taking the H2O to the LFS. I got a new meter and got my salt to 1.026.

Can some one give me the parameters that I should have my tank at? As every LFS I have stopped at told me something different...

if it is a FO tank they are commonly kept between 1.022 and 1.024 reef tanks are commonly kept at 1.024 to 1.026
i keep my reef tank at 1.026

just to fill in a bit of background info on fish only tank parameters. we generally keep it less cause some deseases that attach fish find it harder to multiply with a lower sg

just to fill in a bit of background info on fish only tank parameters. we generally keep it less cause some deseases that attach fish find it harder to multiply with a lower sg
thanks for picking up my slack V... ;)

yes, a FO tank can be kept the same as a reef, but it dont "need" to be kept that high like a reef tank does.
so you can safely lower the salinity, which as Veriann mention can help prevent some diseases and parasites.

I am thinking of geting one or two Anemones and maybe 2 or up to 4 small fish thats it ...

if you get an anemone they you have to keep reef tank conditions.
strong light great water conditions, stable water parameters, etc.

i only mention this because you noted you wanted to go FO, and with an anemone you cant easily do that as they are very demanding creatures, and they are not meant for new tanks, they should only be put in mature tanks at least 6 months old IMO

on a side note, a 14 gallon tank is kind as mall for a lot of anemones, most clown hosting anemones will outgrow that tank in a year or two.

example, i have a Rose BTA that went from about 6" in diameter to something that would take up half that tank, in under 2 years

Im only looking to have 0ne or two small one'zz .. and I will take my time befor I get them ... if I can hold the H2O in the reen for 6 months I will get it then ,...

what type of small ones were you interested in?
my point is that there are not many that are small.
other than mini carpets, which are about the size of a quarter. or Sebae's which are very difficult to keep alive

theres plenty of time for research on this subject. im sure you'll find a suitible candidate along the way. who knows, sticking with FO might even be your thing. with understanding anems are not hard, although its still an expensive & brain intensive step up. one thats well worth it because they bring heaps of motion & activity to your tanks given the right combinations or both coral & fish.

so where are you at with your tank, from what i remember you've bought the tank, added a heater & mixed your water. Testing so far at the LFS, & are now
happy with your SG.

Have your added a SSB or a deeper sand bed?

have you added any base rock ?

are you kick starting a cycle with pure ammonia additions, a raw table prawn, or just with your rock or sand addition ect ect given your many options?

are there any questions or facts that you would like to have broken down more in regards to a cycle.?

These are the type of questions & answers you should expect in the building stages of any tank build. Before you reach the next stage you should have a handle on the current stage & understand it. or the next will be just a gooyie mess.

Robs podcasts are a great audio way of learning & retaining the stages of the marine world, listen 2 the shows more than once can really help too.
Although loven Robs voice is a must..lol:rotfl:
If you havn't found written info to your liking, i suggest you start here (http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php)
Basicly i would not read this info from top to bottom, i would target headings that are applicable at this time for you.
example being.
PH & Temp
SG
the nitrogen cycle :ammonia, nitrate, nitrite. (bactera)

Anything that you dont understand, n/probs, thats what we're here for!

Well I have a deeper sand bed (Live sand), the ammonia is low, :ammonia, nitrate, nitrite. (bactera) are all low at the moment. it will take another 2 to 5 weeks befor it's in the right zone.

Hey...welcome to TR Sarge! Great to have you here. I'd give ya a big Semper Fi, but being a civy my whole life...I've got no right! Best of luck with your jump into Marine Aquaria. Let us know what ever it is we can do for you... and thank you for doing all that you do!!!

David

Thank you ! Semper Fi! ... www.myspace.com/IamFearItself (http://www.myspace.com/IamFearItself)

Ever heard of the "Boomerang Counter Sniper System"? The mounted systems on the Hummers?

Ever heard of the "Boomerang Counter Sniper System"? The mounted systems on the Hummers?
i have.. ;)

bit off topic, but what the hell.

electronic device that tri-angulates the origin of the sound/shot yeah?

whats going on?

Well... if you go here: NECN - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/necn/) and search video for "boomerang", you will get 4 results. The third down is called "Mass Company Upgrades Protection for Troops". Watch the short video.. and listen to when the unit calls out "Shot fired.. etc." If you listen to any of these podcasts, you may know the voice.

That'd be my voice :) AND.. these things are saving lives every day.

D

So I see we are talking about My old Job lol .,, No comment..lol... Semper Fi !

Gotta love the "no comments" It's all about NTK.

Cant Comment on somthing I do not know about...lol But I am a MARINE ... Thats all I will Comment about ... SEMPER FI!

you war junkies....sheesh, dont worry, one day you'll be big enough to join the ranks of our SAS:unsure:

Why would I want to Be SAS... I am a US MARINE! lol ... Semper Fi and


www.myspace.com/IamFearItself (http://www.myspace.com/IamFearItself)

He he he...

AND.. who says "war junkie". Personally, the only work I do is on "counter" defense systems... not offensive. ;)

D

Ok the Salt Water test.... 01-26-07 at 1955
Nitrite (NO2)---------- 0.50ppm
Nitrate (NO3)----------5.0ppm
Ammonia NH3/NH4-----0 ppm
PH------------------------8.2
:confused:

saltwater test...
Ammonia ------0.50---------ppm
Nitrate----------7.50---------ppm
Nitrite-----------0.50--------ppm
PH---------------7.8 <------- BAD :no:

Dont worry to much about PH in the cycle phases, mine was a little low as well until the cycle completed and now it's perfect and holding steady. As far as your reading are concerned mine also did the same thing, but keep in mind not everyone is going to have the same cycle. Those levels seem to me somewhat normal, nothing is extreme. Just me patient, I know you have heard that a thousand times already and there is a reason for it. Hay were are both military and you should be used to the waiting game lol. They dont say hurry up and wait for the heck of it. You can also expect a diatom outbreak after or during the cycle, I learned that is completley normal.

Just got a Nice LIVE RICK ... I just got it home and I put the rock in the tank ... about 10 minutes later I come over and what do I see ....... It's full of live stuff there are about 8 small starfish and small 4 fans and other stuff opening up that I did not see in the LFS.... now it looks cool and all .... But is it good or is it all going to die??? I know I need a live rock for the cycle....:unsure:

You already have dead stuff if you had the numbers you displayed earlier, but LR is a lot of fun. the fans are really cool.

Cool! There really are tons of "live" on a live rock.

it is the next day and it's still alive .... I counted 8 starfish and 4 fans... I thought they would die by now ... what do you think ????

I think that they are pretty hardy and some or all will probably make it through just fine.

Well it's 8 britel star fish they all are pale white... 4 fans 3 are pink/white and one is brown. 2 snails and 6 ..(flea looking things)... <------ what are they .....?????


Semper Fi !

Do they look like this (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/03bump/logs/aug12/media/amphipod_single_600.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/03bump/logs/aug12/media/amphipod_single.html&h=431&w=600&sz=124&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=8KaNIZmFj8JowM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Damphipod%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26rls %3DGGGL,GGGL:2006-10,GGGL:en%26sa%3DN)?

Yes ... what are they ? are they bad / good ??? but not all of them look like that ....

those are amphipods, they are normal and good.. :)

Ok another test 1-30-07



Nitrate------1.0 ppm
Nitrite--------0.05 ppm
Ammonia-----0.30 ppm
PH--------------8.1

:huh:

looks like you're well on your way! Welcome to TR, by the way!

It's great that you're asking so many questions and taking your time with this. I just wanted to comment on the use of NSW and starting a tank up right away. Any time live rock/sand is moved, either from the ocean to your tank or from tank to tank, there will always be some die off. Sponges are exposed to air and will then usually succomb to death and will decay as well as other small critters and the like dying off. So, even if you're starting with cycled rocks and NSW, you'll still go through a cycle where ammonia and nitrates/nitrites are elevated. So, at any rate, it's good to be patient and just see the cycle through. Your tank's going to get ugly before it gets beautiful...just be forewarned. Algae will crop up and you'll eventually get a clean up crew that will take care of that, but each phase needs to work in order to move on to the next step.

An additional comment to the use of NSW: it's great if you can get your hands on it and are able to transport it and use it for your water changes, but from what I've read up on it, you're also opening the door for unknown parasites and diseases that you may not be able to control.

thank you ... .

Still all alive!

Hey all, OK this is what I have the starfish and the "fanzzzzz" lol... are alive and getting bigger ... But now I see new stuff that I did not see before.
And it looks like a polyp ...or something it has a small trunk with finger looking things coming out of it ... and when something touches it it slowly retracts. But not all the way .. there are 6 of them on the rock and I think the moved from one part of the rock to the other...but they are so small ... what can they be ???


Semper Fi !

:confused:


PS I did not pay for the Live stuff other then the LR and the stuff im talking about was in or on the live rock ....

Polyps come in all sizes and are often hitchhikers so that sounds like a reasonable guess.

just check to make sure it's not aiptasia. It would be good to try to get rid of them before they get out of control. Here's what they look like:

http://www.amdareef.com/images/aiptasia.jpg

http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/biol/units/symbiosis/images/aiptasia.jpg

Hey all ... got 2 more LR.. And more hitchhikers on it. Their where 3 more snails and 2 hermit crabs on ... They are all looking good and it's been 3 days... But there is this brown looking algy on my glass.... What’s Up with that? It appeared over one day ... I went to work, got home and it was there... can any one help...???

Ok to recap ... it's a 14 gallon Nano cube. 3 LR at about 6LB each. Over 6 small brittle starfish (hitchhikers) 5 Snails, 2 hermit crabs, and 1 clam well I think that’s what it is, and 4 (fanzzzzz) all off them I got as hitchhikers on the LR


Semper Fi !
Alex.

The brown fuzzies are diatom blooms... typical in a new set up. It will clear with time. It really needs to have it's own cycle...like catching the flu....just gotta let it take its course.

D

so I should just let it be ??? not do anything ??

This is usually just part of the cycle and will gradually diminish, provided your water quality continues to improve.

One note: I'm not sure what kind of top-off water you're using, but the use of RODI water will significantly help keep diatoms down. There are a lot of silicates in tap water and the use of silicate filters in the RODI systems will help to keep that down and eventually clear out the diatoms from your system.

Okay time to throw in my one cent:

Welcome to TR srg! I started right where you are now, with a 10 gallon nano and absolutely no idea what i had gotten into. I listened to the podcasts three or more times each and gained a ton of information. Listen to the ones on topics you don't understand as well, like seahorses, there is still lots of great info in them! Now, i am cycling a new 100 gallon tank!

One thing i want to pass on to you; don't waste money on the cycle boosters the LFS sells. I used it on my 10 gallon and i don't think it did anything at all. Try rob's shrimp method, or dump in a bunch of flake food.

Oh, and i dig your comments on the live rock. I started wondering why i even needed fish what with the entertainment the rocks provide :)

The Water Is good ... OK this is what I have now 2 fish One I do not remember the name the other one is the Clown fish...( Ni-mo) O and the other stuff I talked about... And one pink tipped anemony... Damn Spelling ... Forgive me but I cant spell ... O some one swiped my Camera so I cant take a Pic just yeat... But It all looks good...
:cool: :up:

Just make sure that the "other" fish is not an arabian dottyback.

Observe:

Stay the course v Cut and run (http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/marine-tank-problems/2988-stay-course-v-cut-run-pseudochromis-aldabraensis.html)

i cut and ran. that fish was a complete terror! :P

It's not.. It's small, green and it hides 1/2 the time....

Hey All, Has any one seen an Anamony kill a Clown fish???because thats what it looks like just hapend...

Sorry for the spelling .... I need to go to sleep....


Semper Fi !

OK about tank is up for 2 months now ... 3 fish Killed ... yes Killed ... My Cat Got in to the tank .. He opened the lid and went fishing.. :(

I have no fish in the tank how ... But I do have good stuff in it .. Can any one tell my how to upload Pictures on this Post..???? and then you all will see... Or you can go to my MySpace www.myspace.com/IamFearItself (http://www.myspace.com/IamFearItself)

here is the info on how to post images
http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/faq.php?faq=talkingreefsite#faq_talkingreefsitesit e

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thats just the first pic ...

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thats just the first pic ...

it looks a little pale - how's your lighting?

I took the Pic with no Light On. Because the other pics I took with the light on did not come out well at all .. too much glare

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other shot of the tank..

does the anemone look really bleached out under normal lighting? It's supposed to be a purple-tipped, right?

not realy ... Only the tips are purple thats how i got it .

New Pics Of my Small Salt water tank...1377

welcome Srg!

sounds like you are up for the second most exciting adventure of a life time!

patience is a must in this hobby and it really really sucks! but it is soooooo worth the wait.

keep the pics coming. everything is looking good.

Thanks, whats the first? ... lol

1383 what is that is it algy ? There are 8 of them and they are tube like ...

1384 what is that ?

well....it's a little hard to say, but it's probably either a tube worm or little feather dusters, like this:
http://seagrant.gso.uri.edu/research/georges_bank/Images/Species%20picts/Used/Potamilla%20neglecta%20large.jpg

it's green ... dose not look like that ... I do not see anything moving on it or in it .. it's green ... and some are thick and some are not ...

I don't know...it's hard to say from the small picture. Can you get a better macro?

If it's green, then it's probably more likely to be some kind of algae...

1387 this is that Green thing ... there are about 5 of them... any one know what it is ????:confused:

1390 I have it for a month now.

1391 another Pic...

1392 tell me what you think.....:up:

1393 can any one Help ???

1394 thats My Fish. I was told I can have a clown fish with it ... Can I ???? I have a star fish and a Peppermint Shrimp, 4 hermit crabs, and anemone, and kelp.

http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/attachments/nano-reefs/1387d1175055486t-more-info-please-nano-cube-reef-tank-img_3673.jpgthis is that Green thing ... there are about 5 of them... any one know what it is ????:confused:

actually I think it is a little feather duster...it just looks like it's got some algae growing on it's tube.....try to get a glimpse of it when there's not too much activity going on around it....you should see the worm poke out it's feathers at some point!

http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/attachments/nano-reefs/1393d1175057332t-more-info-please-nano-cube-reef-tank-img_368011.jpg can any one Help ???

it looks like a stomatella snail to me....

it is But it's older then that ... it dose not have the chambers that regular snails have....

actually I think it is a little feather duster...it just looks like it's got some algae growing on it's tube.....try to get a glimpse of it when there's not too much activity going on around it....you should see the worm poke out it's feathers at some point!............. I do not see anything ... nothing is moving... it looks like it's just algae... But it's so weard ...

what do you mean "older"?

they are the predecessors to snails.

here's a great compatibilty chart:
Marine Compatability Chart (http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/compatibility_chart.cfm)

gobies are pretty compatible with lots of other saltwater fish.

actually I think it is a little feather duster...it just looks like it's got some algae growing on it's tube.....try to get a glimpse of it when there's not too much activity going on around it....you should see the worm poke out it's feathers at some point!

not a duster...it's a type of macro algae, altho the name escapes me...i don't have renee's book here at work. very cool stuff tho (i'm trying to get my daughter to start some on a rock from the stand of it at her LFS).

EDIT: the macro in question is Neomeris, most likely Neomeris annulata.

it's VERY cool stuff!

Thanks Greg! I learned something new! never seen them before....so, I did some googling. thought this was a great picture of them:

http://www.uog.edu/classes/botany/474/images/neomeris3.jpg
University of Guam (http://www.uog.edu/classes/botany/Mar_Bot/chlorophyta.htm)

That is what I have . Thank you So Much .

1519 and 1520

very nice critters! they both look healthy. the anemone will be... what color? purple?

Yes purple. But now the Fishy is not taking any food. :(

what are you feeding?

In my experience, clowns like artemia (brine shrimp), most of the flake food, pellet food, etc. My clowns have a hard time getting their mouth around the mysis...they seem to be too big.

it was fine with all I was giving it. then one day he or she just stopped eating and just sitting in a corner. im concerned, He cost me $35 ... I’m Cheap. And I do not like to see the fish suffer. The H2O is good, did all the tests... I just do not get it...:help:

wish i could help you.
maybe someone with some more experience will reply.
you can try posting on the clown fish thread area too.

Can any One Help Me ?
the clown was fine with all I was giving it. then 4 days now he or she just stopped eating and just sitting in a corner with weard looking poop coming out. im concerned, He cost me $35 ... I’m Cheap. And I do not like to see fish suffer. The H2O is good, did all the tests... I just do not get it...Can any One Help Me ?

hey Sgt - let us know what you're using for food right now....

do you have any pictures of the fish?

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This Is the Fish .... And as For foos I will Have to look when I get Home ... But the Fish has Passed on... :no: :wall:

oh man...so sorry about that. did you happen to see any growths or parasites on the fish?

as tough as it is, this exemplifies the great need for using quarantine tanks with new specimens. Maybe you could try to set up a small QT for your next purchases.

so sorry for your loss!

so sorry for your lost.

Sarge,

So sorry to hear you lost your fish.

Hey All ... Sorry I was Out for so long...
Any way I am moving to a new apartment and I have a new NANO tank,

AquaPod Specifications


Model 7051

Volume (gallons) 24

Lighting Specifications 1x32w SunPaq Dual Daylight & 1x32w SunPaq Dual Actinic

Lunar Lights 2 Nocturnal Blue

Cooling Fan Yes


Independent Control Yes

Pump Capacity (gph) 290 gph

Inside Tank Dimensions 19.75"x17"x17.5"

Overall Dimensions 19.75"x17"x20"

Weight 50 lbs.



Can any one tell me How to set this up so I can Transfer my 14 Nano's (STUFF) in to this one .... Can I use 1/2 of the H2O from the beach and the rest from the 14 nano??? Or do I have to take the time to set this up the way I did the 14Nano...?:cool: :thanks:

You are probably going to have a little cycle. Therefore you will want to proceed in much the same way as with your original nano. Were you using natural sea water in your 14?

It was a mix it's, 50% natural sea water .... why do you ask ???

Well I was thinking that you could have introduced some pollutant, germ or parasite that killed your fish.

i was thinking the same thing, Carmie. the stringy feces pretty much points to internal parasites, however, a fish with no food in its gut can also have similar feces, altho my first instinct suggests a parasitic infection.

ok the new tank is up ... looks good... So this is what I have in it

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I have mre but dose not fit...