nori sheets

[dadonoflaw]

nagai's roasted seaweed sushi nori is the brand that i picked up and was wondering if this is acceptable before i put it in my tank?

[V]

i used to get mine at my jap sushi bar, shreaded an everything, how lazy's that!
if its good enough to put in your own mouth, its good enough for your fish!
roasted>>>>mmm, "donuts, is there anything they cant do"!

[dadonoflaw]

i may have purchased in error. the fish wont eat the nori. i stuck it on a rock and they wont go near it. wrong nori or wrong strategy?

[kj_yoda]

I saw recently at the GA Aquarium that they were feeding their tangs, etc, Romaine lettuce head. Never saw that before.

[fat walrus]

I saw recently at the GA Aquarium that they were feeding their tangs, etc, Romaine lettuce head. Never saw that before.
Oh no! Just wait until Amphibious hears about this atrocity.

[fat walrus]

i may have purchased in error. the fish wont eat the nori. i stuck it on a rock and they wont go near it. wrong nori or wrong strategy?
Patience. Just give it some time. Try and try again.

[Bernie]

Ooooooo.... wait till Pappa Amp hears about this... he is gonna freak the flock out...

[wildeone]

I believe it was I who inidiated what I like to call, "The Romaine Incident". Good Luck Kevin. LOL!

[fat walrus]

I believe it was I who inidiated what I like to call, "The Romaine Incident". Good Luck Kevin. LOL!
Yes, that was an ugly episode with many casualties. The Romaine industry still has Amp listed as public enemy! :eek:

Run Kevin, even Yoda cannot save you from the wrath of Amp.

The Twin Trilogy:

Episode I: The Phantom Menance(Algae)
Episode II: Attack Of The Clones(Romaines and other similar Lettuces)
Episode III: Revenge of Sith(Salad and Baby Greens)

Episode IV: A New Hope(Seaweed)
Episode V: The Empire(Salad Bar) Strikes Back
Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi(Nori)

[V]

daddo, we should prob ask what fish ur trying to feed to first! or did i miss that info

[dadonoflaw]

a coral beauty and two one inch yellowtail damsels

[V]

i wouldn't be stressing to much if they dont eat it! your coral beauty is the only one that would graze. in a frozen mix would be enough in my opinion!

[Amphibious]

Oh no! Just wait until Amphibious hears about this atrocity.Arrggh!!! Amp's going on a rampage!!!

The Romaine lettuce thing is widely believed to be sufficient for marine animals. I remain steadfast against it. Can't believe the GA aquarium doesn't have an educated Marine Biologist on staff. It's a pity. It just goes to show you how ingrained the Romaine lettuce fallacy is.


nagai's roasted seaweed sushi nori is the brand that i picked up and was wondering if this is acceptable before i put it in my tank?Yes, this is fine. I use a different brand but it is also roasted.

You really don't have a fish that requires marine veggies. Your Coral Beauty will find enough veggies grazing off the LR. Doesn't mean you can't feed it to him but it isn't necessary. Your Damsels may pick at it too, but, again, not necessary.

Pushing Nori, or any veggie into LR is a pain. I use a veggie clip, available at the LFS. They have a suction cup on them that soon wears out so I super glue mine to a rock and tie a string to it. Here's a pic of my veggie clip in action.

http://www.theculturedreef.com/VeggieClip-1.jpg

I cut the Nori into strips along the perforations already in the sheet and then cut the strip in half. Then fold the smaller strip into fourths and cut thin strips so the fish only tear off small bite sized pieces.

http://www.theculturedreef.com/VeggieClip-2.jpg

After a bit, the whole exposed part is consumed and then I open the clip and let the Sohal Tang finish the last of it.

[JustDavidP]

I confronted an aquarium specialist one about the use of veggies for their fish. It was explained to me that they got all the nutrition and balance they needed from their prepared foods. They used (in this case spinach) the veggies on clips to "keep the fish busy"

They said that grazing fish, although well fed, just need to "graze". They swear that by putting the spinach in the tank, it kept their "minds busy".

Dunno... as long as they were feeding them a balanced diet...I wasn't going to fight with them.

D

[dadonoflaw]

ok thanx guys

[Amphibious]

I confronted an aquarium specialist one about the use of veggies for their fish. It was explained to me that they got all the nutrition and balance they needed from their prepared foods. They used (in this case spinach) the veggies on clips to "keep the fish busy"

They said that grazing fish, although well fed, just need to "graze". They swear that by putting the spinach in the tank, it kept their "minds busy".

Dunno... as long as they were feeding them a balanced diet...I wasn't going to fight with them.

DPersonally? I wouldn't want that aquarium specialist taking care of my aquarium.

Grazing fish graze to eat not to keep their "minds busy". Does this guy also claim to be a "Fish Whisperer"? Sounds totally bunk to me.

[wildeone]

That does sound a little flakey....

Thats like say I breathe to so my nose has a function. I think it is quite the opposite.

Although I would really really like to find someone with a macro that my tangs would eat. I still think it would be nice if I was feeding them live plants. No one I know has any Gracilaria, and the only stuff I have found is on ebay and I am just hesitant to buy from someone I don't know.

[wildeone]

Scrap that last statement, I looked in the one place I forgot to look, premium aquatics. They are my one day away UPS ground supplier. I should have looked before.

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=L-OGO&Category_Code=Plants

[V]

I cut the Nori into strips along the perforations already in the sheet and then cut the strip in half. Then fold the smaller strip into fourths and cut thin strips so the fish only tear off small bite sized pieces.
what are u an origarmi expert! bloody hell brother, youv'e got to much time on your hands..lol

nice idea on the hanging rock, can i have permission and steal that idea Master Ampage, simple & effective looking with is great! & hear i thought glueing it to a magnet was smart!

[Amphibious]

That's the stuff. A great algae for feeding tangs and any herbivore. The following quote is from Premium Aquatics' web site. I think it would be good if everyone read it. It goes to the heart of my argument against terrestrial substitutes.


Algae are one of the simplest, healthiest, and most flavorful additions to any diet. Algae are one of the oldest living organisms on the planet; it is the essence of the ocean. And for many fish, it is the vital essence!

Algae for fish food
Many popular saltwater aquarium fish are herbivores- eating primarily algae growing on the coral reefs. It is a known fact that a healthy diet will increase the longevity of reef fishes kept in aquariums. A diet made up of algae will promote greater color, health, and vitality of most Tangs, many Angelfish, and some Wrasses. For years people have been feeding their fish "substitute algae" (these include Romaine Lettuce, raw Spinach, Swiss chard, and so on). These have sufficed because there was no other means to satisfy the grazing demands of many aquarium fish. These greens are acidic in nature, however, and freshwater in composition. This conflicts with the alkaline and saltwater nature of the fishes themselves. Algae on the other hand, has the necessary salts and minerals that fish require. In addition, algae are alkaline in nature, unlike the acidic fresh greens.

Thanks for the link, wildone. Let us know how it comes in and the quantity.

[V]

if only for the simple fact that u need to blanch to break the celulose layer should be enough for the lazy among us to use the real thing! heck, seaweeds cheaper anyways!

& u must have posted dirrectly after me cause not even a ripple from you over the last post Amp! http://www.alexander-oberg.de/smileys/saufbrueder.gif

[Amphibious]

what are u an origarmi expert! bloody hell brother, youv'e got to much time on your hands..lol

nice idea on the hanging rock, can i have permission and steal that idea Master Ampage, simple & effective looking with is great! & hear i thought glueing it to a magnet was smart!You forget young one, I am retired. It's true though, I do have much to much time on my hands and I might add, a young wife that supports me. http://www.theculturedreef.com/12A91C~1.GIF :rotfl: She also happens to think I walk on water. Little does she know, I know where the stones are. God, I love that woman.

Of course you can use my idea with the rock veggie clip. What are Musketeers for but, "One for all, and all for one".

[Amphibious]

if only for the simple fact that u need to blanch to break the celulose layer should be enough for the lazy among us to use the real thing! heck, seaweeds cheaper anyways!

& u must have posted dirrectly after me cause not even a ripple from you over the last post Amp! http://www.alexander-oberg.de/smileys/saufbrueder.gifI don't even blanch the Gracilaria. Just feed it to them.

Great minds work on the same plain, brother. Thanks for helping me back up on the barstool, I had one tinnie too many there.

[V]

hey, if i wanted to feel all gooshy i would have watched titanic, lol, just playing Amp, its great that you love her the same or more after all this time,http://www.alexander-oberg.de/smileys/doc_love.gif u want to throw some of that loven my way! i could use awhole truckload about now!

[Amphibious]

If you were a women, I'd sing you a love song, http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_3_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) or write you a love letter. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_1_211.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) But, you're a guy so a hug will have to do. http://www.theculturedreef.com/01F0B5~1.GIF

How's that for "gooshy"?


http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb097&pp=ZUxdm080YYUS (http://smiley.smileycentral.com/download/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb097_ZUxdm080YYUS&utm_id=7925)

[dreams]

a little late to this...but i do not feed my fish roasted nori or romaine/spinach....i have read that both are unhealthy......i feed them "sea veggies" algea...i also grow some algea in the fuge....and throw a bit in for my tang...he loves it

i also will not feed them anything that is from fresh water....they don't live in fresh water....only things that come from the ocean

i used too, but not anymore

[Amphibious]

a little late to this...but i do not feed my fish roasted nori or romaine/spinach....i have read that both are unhealthy......i feed them "sea veggies" algea...i also grow some algea in the fuge....and throw a bit in for my tang...he loves it

i also will not feed them anything that is from fresh water....they don't live in fresh water....only things that come from the ocean

i used too, but not anymore
I don't have a clew where you read that Nori is unhealthy for herbivorous fish but I'll counter that by saying it's perfectly healthy for them. Now, you've read two views, you can chose which one to believe. I've been a strong opponent of any terrestrial veggie for marine fish but, Nori is from the ocean so it's perfectly fine. It's roasted to dry it, not cook it. It's used as a sushi wrap. Of course you knew that.

I like your motto, "only things from the ocean". You can now include Nori. Your fish will love it and benefit from it.

[dreams]

amphibious, it is a product processed for human consumption....which means that it could possibly have preservatives and/or coloring/flavoring added....there are many options available...so, just to be safe, i do not use it

[fat walrus]

amphibious, it is a product processed for human consumption....which means that it could possibly have preservatives and/or coloring/flavoring added....there are many options available...so, just to be safe, i do not use it
I agree with dreams. If you can afford it, and it makes you more sure than buy the sea veggies or marine algae sheets. I believe the most nori sheets are fine, but how can we be assured that certain one do not have additives that are not ideal for our fish?

[V]

Kombu and Nori

http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/japan/nori.jpg http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/japan/nori2.jpg http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/japan/nori3.jpg http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/japan/nori4.jpg
Here we're dealing with seaweed, a Japanese food for thousands of years. Kombu is kelp and nori is seaweed. They contain many essential vitamins and minerals and no preservatives.

Kombu is usually sold in thick, dried, nearly black strips. It softens when immersed in water and is commonly used to make dashi (soup stock). It can also be simmered with soy sauce, mirin (sweetened cooking sake) and other seasonings to flavor boiled dishes. Kobu-maki consists of wrapped herring or other fish simmered. Tororo--kombu is an olive-green treat made by softening pieces of kombu in vinegar and shredding them.
Kombu is regarded as a "good luck" food and is used in New Year's dishes.
Nori is seaweed that is laid out in the sun in thin sheets to dry on wooden frames. It is usually sold in crispy sheets which have to be kept perfectly dry or the nori will go limp. Nori is often used in a breakfast to dip in soy sauce and wrap around bits of rice. If it's wrapped around rice and fish or vegetables it's called norimaki-zushi. O-chazuke is a bowl of rice and shredded nori that has been doused in hot tea.




Come get some preservatives people>not! lol

[JustDavidP]

I used to collect "sea lettuce" (Ulva Lactuca) for my tang..

http://seahorse.com/shop/images/large/algae/sealettuce_02_sealettuce_03_LRG.jpg

but I am lucky enough to be at the edge of the Atlantic. This stuff is WONDERFUL.. keeping well in a fuge and the fish love it!

[Amphibious]

That's great looking veggie stuff, David. Why not bag and sell it?

[JustDavidP]

Honestly, it takes a lot to get good quality macro, ensure that it is properly QTd, cleaned etc. before reselling. I get enough to keep my systems (and friends) happy. I'd hate like heck to be on the line for a parasite issue that I would have given to a "customer". I'm rationally afraid of liablility issues LMAO

[Amphibious]

Yeah, your right on those issues.

[fat walrus]

That "sea lettuce" is hard to keep in captivity since it requires strong light and pulsating flow to keep it clean. It also produces a lot of protein.