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Old 08-15-2006, 11:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Immune system enhancements: snake oil?

I have read and heard some comments in my LFS about increasing the immune systems of fish, and i wanted to run it by the peeps on TR to get a second, third,....fortieth oppinion. The two that i have heard of are the topics of this post: Garlic and spirinula. The former was recomended by my LFS as "increasing the number of white blood cells in fish." Sounds like a treatment used in Boulder, some "holistic" fish remedy. I am skeptical. Besides, i am not too keen on the idea of my water smelling like garlic.

The other is spirinula. The packaging on some manifactures (Hakari) says it is supposed to help the immune system. Again, i am not sure if this is really true, or if it is a snake oil for fish. Unlike the garlic, this one i will feed to fish because it is nutritious and generally good for them. I typically mix it with frozen brine shrimp and the fish (freshwater fish, don't forget!) seem to love it. I assume it would be good for marine fish as well.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i cant speak to spirinula as i haven't really researched it.
but for garlic, this is not snake oil. it is proven that garlic can and does increase white blood cell count, and acts as a natural antibiotic. this is true is humans also.

now that said, what is anecdotal, is how effective it is on treating disease, or preventing disease. common sense dictates it would make the fish healthier and thus keep them less prone to sickness. but it has not been show scientifically (anywhere i have seen) that it actually works.. kind of a hard thing to test

all that said, i do use garlic extract to soak all my food, and have been happy with it.. but that's hardly scientific proof.
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I use Garlic extract too. I have never had a problem with ick or flukes since I started using it. I also heard that it helps finicky eaters too.

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i do use garlic extract to soak all my food, and have been happy with it.. but that's hardly scientific proof.
Does your breath smell like garlic, Rob???
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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absolutely..
personally i LOVE garlic.. im sure others around me may not like me eating garlic, but owe well..
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Not to highjack the thread, but preparing garlic. do you just soak garlic in tank water, take it out and then add the food and let the food soak? and then dump?
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my process is to use a cup with one side slightly elevated,
place the food in it lower end, ad a few drops of garlic extract, with a "small" amount of water. just enough to wet all the dry food. i let it sit like that for a 5 minutes or so,. while sitting i will occasionally, gently sway the cup just to get a god mix in there
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:16 AM   #8 (permalink)
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was that a good enough description?
do you think the "use of garlic" would be a worth while video?

doing video is a bit of work, but if its valuable i will do it...
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IMO i think that a video preparing food in general might be worth it, but in another since im not sure if you had to waste food but then it wouldnt be worth it. but IMO it would be cool to see how to feed tangs and stuff..

and yes good description
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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ok, maybe i will record a tank feeding one of these days
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I use garlic too with about the same procedure as Rob. A side benefit is it cuts the smell of the cyclopeeze!
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spiralina is beneficial for the immune system. it contains the highest concentration and purest form of vitamin-c, which without no bodily function can exist. the lack of vitamin-c contributes to many problems in fish, including lateral line or hole in head. in fact, many alternative healers for PEOPLE recommend spiralina.
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I agree with FW about spiralina. And I agree with Rob about garlic and humans, but I have yet to see any proof that it is beneficial to fish. I would love to see someone do a study on this.
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